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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:51 am

columbia wrote:Image

I'm a street walking tabby with a mouth full of catnip....
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:08 pm

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I want to see that with a cat
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:52 pm

Miguel's Kaleidoscope Dreams could be a late addition to my Best of 2012 list. There are some albums I just recently discovered thanks to all the Best of lists out there (and on here).
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby columbia on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:18 am

In 2002, after reading an article by The Doors' John Densmore on the subject of musicians allowing their work to be featured in commercials, Tom Waits — a songwriter who, a decade previous, successfully sued Frito Lay for more than $2m after they ripped off one of his songs to sell Doritos, and has sued others since — wrote the following letter to The Nation and reiterated his opinion on the subject.


http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/12/its-virus.html
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby eddysnake on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:19 am

Digitalgypsy66 wrote:Interesting about the OP. He or she should stop by and see the epic post they created!

I like the new Swell Season album. Probably not for everyone, but very solid...


Plus, Glen Hansard looks like Miikka Kiprusoff.


Have you listened to Hansards newish Rhythm and Repose album? Wife really enjoyed the swell season album and I was thinking about getting her another, maybe the Strict Joy album?
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:26 am

I have not. I forgot that it had come out...thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:44 am

columbia wrote:
In 2002, after reading an article by The Doors' John Densmore on the subject of musicians allowing their work to be featured in commercials, Tom Waits — a songwriter who, a decade previous, successfully sued Frito Lay for more than $2m after they ripped off one of his songs to sell Doritos, and has sued others since — wrote the following letter to The Nation and reiterated his opinion on the subject.


http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/12/its-virus.html


I'm torn on this. I certainly understand his point and would like to agree with him. On the other hand, it is easy to be an idealist when you make enough money with your art to gain independence. I have no idea what musicians earn these days, but I'm fairly certain that The Sea & Cake got their biggest payday when they allowed one of their songs in a commercial a few years ago. I assume it allowed them to gain a little independence and continue with their work (I admittedly have no diea if they really needed the money to do so).

Waits says: "when you sell your songs for commercials, you are selling your audience as well." Problem is, you do not get to choose your audience and the moment you make your work available - and that includes sell it on vinyl, CD or iTunes - you don't know and you cannot control who the listeners are and what they do with your work. Just ask Kurt Cobain or Johnny Marr.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby columbia on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:49 am

Even more than the past, musicians rely on making their money on the road.
I wouldn't judge anyone, who feels the need to pick up some extra cash through licensing their music.
It's not like allowing your song to be used in The Hangover VIII is more artistically valid.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:52 am

That said, good on him for winning that lawsuit. Ripping of his art is an entirely different problem.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby columbia on Fri Dec 07, 2012 10:53 am

Gaucho wrote:That said, good on him for winning that lawsuit. Ripping of his art is an entirely different problem.


Definitely.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:30 am

I see valid points for both sides of the commercialism of artistic creations.

I remember John Mellencamp's rant about Nike using the Beatles' Revolution in a TV ad for shoes.

As a big fan of Neil Young, his "This Note's For You" was released in the middle of some of the worst commercialism of pop music.

Led Zeppelin, who until recently, rarely let their music be used in film or TV, sold the rights to "Rock and Roll" to Cadillac for what Page or Plant referred to as a "ridiculous amount" of money.

Pete Townshend, definitely one of the most creative of the 60s rock songwriters, is unrepentant on his frequent licensing of his songs for commercials and movies. On The Who's current "Quadrophenia" tour, Townshend refers to the set of hits they play after Quadrophenia as "The CSI songs." :lol:

If the artist doesn't care, then why should we? I totally see Waits' point about how the song also belongs to the fan, and the artist is actually selling the fan's memories and connection to the song. Interesting debate.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Ben Klingston on Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:36 am

This was on the DVE Morning Show today.... thought it was pretty good, funny and some musical chops. Kinda NSFW

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:21 pm

Slash is saying Scott Weiland of Stone Temple Pilots has been fired yet again from said band. I don't understand it...
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:48 pm

Stone Temple Pilots still exist?
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:56 pm

Gaucho wrote:Stone Temple Pilots still exist?

Aww :( great great great band.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Lt. Dish on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:47 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:Slash is saying Scott Weiland of Stone Temple Pilots has been fired yet again from said band. I don't understand it...


The dude has had so much trouble staying clean and sober. It's a shame.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:35 am

Since I can't sleep...here are two artist you all should enjoy like I do.

Dax Riggs

Alain Johannes frequent musician for hire, former singer of Eleven, QOTSA contributer.

Comments on said artist would be appreciative
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Godric on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:02 am



Gaucho, you like that kind of stuff?
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby legame on Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:37 am

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:16 am

Godric wrote:

Gaucho, you like that kind of stuff?


It's ok, I guess. But too trippy to be my kind of hip hop and too melodious to be my kind of electronica.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:37 am

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:20 am

81 bands with official sneakers.

http://stereogum.com/675511/69-other-bands-with-official-sneakers/franchises/listomania/

Most of them are beyond terrible. I like the House of Pain adidas. But I don't like House of Pain.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby JS© on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:26 am

There's probably 5 on the list I would buy with another 5 that would depend on the day. Even at 10 out of 81, that's not a good percentage.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:33 am

Tbh, I didn't get past #22. Those sneakers designed by Animal Collective are downright hideous. Not as bad as the super ugly Dinosaur Jr boots, though.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby JS© on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:27 pm

Were Animal Collective the ones that had about 3-4 different ones?
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