Sandy Hook Tragedy

[DelPen]

You'd rather lock away the mentally ill than guns?

Yes. James Holmes was identified as a danger by his college but since the semester was over they dropped the issue. Adam Lanza was going to be treated but his mother had to go through too many hoops especially after CT did not pass a law that would have made it easier to get him the help he needed. Both Aurora and Newtown could have been avoided if we treated mental illness as a serious problem.

How is that a controversial position?

[shmenguin]

The FBI is currently trying to get info from his hard drive. He apparently did a good job of damaging it enough that it isn't as simple as plugging it in and getting what they need.

He was suppose to be fairly astute from a technical perspective. If you have *any* real understanding of how HDD's work, it's not hard to make them totally unreadable.

seems like simply formatting it would do the trick - but forensics isn't really my thing

i imagine the authorities should be able to be able to get his internet provider to hand over his web history, though

[shmenguin]

i'm not trying to push an agenda here - just curious. for gun owners...

if you have a child whose mental state has brought you to the point of deciding to commit them to an institution. and you know that this child is very familiar with using firearms...what do you do with your guns? i realize there are other variables here, like whether or not there's a history of violent outbursts, but i'm just approaching this very broadly.

again, this isn't about gun control, and i'm not saying what you SHOULD do with them. i'm just curious.

[ExPatriatePen]

The FBI is currently trying to get info from his hard drive. He apparently did a good job of damaging it enough that it isn't as simple as plugging it in and getting what they need.

He was suppose to be fairly astute from a technical perspective. If you have *any* real understanding of how HDD's work, it's not hard to make them totally unreadable.

seems like simply formatting it would do the trick - but forensics isn't really my thing

i imagine the authorities should be able to be able to get his internet provider to hand over his web history, though

Formatting leaves traces that high level government agencies can still recover from in most cases. (There's a technology called SED, or Self Encrypted Hard Drive, that is nearly impossible to crack.)

Secondly, ISP's don;t typically keep history of browsing, what's interesting though is that if you're logged into Google, most of your web surfing is captured by them.

[Gaucho]

You'd rather lock away the mentally ill than guns?

Yes. James Holmes was identified as a danger by his college but since the semester was over they dropped the issue. Adam Lanza was going to be treated but his mother had to go through too many hoops especially after CT did not pass a law that would have made it easier to get him the help he needed. Both Aurora and Newtown could have been avoided if we treated mental illness as a serious problem.

How is that a controversial position?

How wanting to lock away the mentally ill is a controversial position?

[shmenguin]

the use of the expression "lock away" is excessive here

[Gaucho]

the use of the expression "lock away" is excessive here

But it's the expression I used. As an exaggeration, mind you.

[mac5155]

i'm not trying to push an agenda here - just curious. for gun owners...

if you have a child whose mental state has brought you to the point of deciding to commit them to an institution. and you know that this child is very familiar with using firearms...what do you do with your guns? i realize there are other variables here, like whether or not there's a history of violent outbursts, but i'm just approaching this very broadly.

again, this isn't about gun control, and i'm not saying what you SHOULD do with them. i'm just curious.

Probably wouldn't keep them anywhere that he has access to, perhaps in a locked room in a safe or something like that. It's tough to say in that situation though because i've never been there.

[Gaucho]

If I had a child I'd keep it away from guns regardless of its mental state, but that's just me.

[mac5155]

Well duh, I'm talking a 20 year old son.

[Gaucho]

Generally speaking.

[Tico Rick]

Care to share that evidence?

people have left manifestos behind. it certainly doesn't apply to all incidents, but even it it's just "some", it's worth examining. i also suggest watching this.



are you saying that you believe that the publicity/legacy makes no difference in all cases?

Interesting clip with good advice from the psychologist, but I'm not sure you can statistically show that his assertion has merit.

I'm sure publicity has some effect, but I don't see how limiting/preventing instant reporting of events on CNN or other networks is going to prevent details of those events from coming out, whether it be in weekly or monthly magazines or books written about the events. Short of a blanket blackout on coverage, details of the events will come out on way or another.

[shmenguin]

Care to share that evidence?

people have left manifestos behind. it certainly doesn't apply to all incidents, but even it it's just "some", it's worth examining. i also suggest watching this.



are you saying that you believe that the publicity/legacy makes no difference in all cases?

Interesting clip with good advice from the psychologist, but I'm not sure you can statistically show that his assertion has merit.

I'm sure publicity has some effect, but I don't see how limiting/preventing instant reporting of events on CNN or other networks is going to prevent details of those events from coming out, whether it be in weekly or monthly magazines or books written about the events. Short of a blanket blackout on coverage, details of the events will come out on way or another.

"statistics"? eh. the guy who shot up the gym left a message for the world. and we heard it because of his actions. the unibomber famously had a manifesto. and it was heard because of this actions. i can't put this in a math problem or compare it to switzerland, but if you don't think that's "evidence" (and remember the difference between evidence and proof) of publicity being a potential contributor to , i don't know what to say.

[Tico Rick]

Did any attacker's "manifesto", or did any friends/relatives/acquaintances of the attacker, make mention of the attacker being influenced by news reports of past mass murders? If not, it's highly speculative to put the blame on the news media.

[MRandall25]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/newto ... n-facebook

Just sad how low the media will stoop.

[Tico Rick]

That's pretty disgraceful.

[llipgh2]

Victor Cruz met with the family of Jack Pinto. Cruz was the little boy's favorite NFL player, and the family buried him in his Cruz jersey.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8762755/victor-cruz-new-york-giants-wide-receiver-recounts-meeting-family-jack-pinto-shooting-victim-newton-conn

[Rylan]

Good on Victor Cruz.

[ajh2298]

Victor Cruz is now my favorite football player.

[ExPatriatePen]

Does anyone here have an opinion on what should happen to the building that was/is Sandy Hook elementary?

Should it still be used as a grade school, torn down, made into a memorial, or sold asa commercial property?

Just curious what you'd do if you were on the SH school board.

[MWB]

It can't be used as a school for the foreseeable future. Maybe they could sell it and have the funds go to building a new school? I don't think a memorial of the school itself would be a good idea.

[KennyTheKangaroo]

a park?

[Rylan]

It should become a playground.

[Gaucho]

A school.

[Tico Rick]

That's a tough one. It seems like a pretty modern facility, and I can understand the view of keeping the school as it is to demonstrate that the community can overcome this tragedy. But I can't imagine these kids learning in rooms where their classmates were gunned down. That's just too much.