Idoit40fans wrote: Pitt87 wrote: Idoit40fans wrote:
FreeCandy44 wrote:So is this basically the last take it or leave it offer? Like take this or done?
I'm sure its the same as the last one. I'm not sure where people get the idea that the PA will counter with something outlandish, as that has yet to happen. I'm guessing the players counter, the owners huff and walk away and then the owners inch closer to them next week. That either happens at the drop dead date or a couple days before, then right before it hits the deadline, the players take that offer. The owners get played to the greatest extent possible, which is to say that they make no concessions and get what they were looking for all along.
You don't remember the three scenarios they presented in October? I'm not sure where you come from with the assumptions you've been spouting off, but the bottom line is that the Fehr's routinely come to a planned negotiation meeting with an offer and little else. They haven't been acting in good faith, nor have they helped the players cause.
I clearly remember them. Those were closer to where we are now than the owners proposal that they were responding to. What have they done in bad faith? The owners have refused to negotiate. Thats bad faith.
The post before this one you said owners won't make any concessions, then said that they are closer now to one of the three proposals... it can't be both.
Its clear you have seen this through some prism that says labor is right and owners are evil. From the article posted recently:
A recent “negotiating” session provides a perfect example of how Fehr operates. The league and the NHLPA negotiators agree to meet at 10 a.m. one day. Everyone shows up at the appointed hour, with the exception of Donald Fehr, who finally walks into the room at 11:15 and apologizes for being late. At exactly 12 noon, he announces he has a lunch meeting with someone in uptown Manhattan and leaves the room.
He's come to mediation with 'take it or leave it' options, he's changed the players' bargaining positions multiple times, and he's the chief reason we're not playing hockey right now; he thinks he can keep this going and win. He's probably correct, but the circus is not good for the business of hockey.