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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby darkstar57 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:32 pm

in a lockout shorten season, when you are playing a ton of games, it doesn't hurt to have an experience NHL defense men as a bottom pairing, PP specialist. You are asking him to log 12 mins a night tops including PP time. If there is a season and we do make the playoffs i could even see bylmsa going with 11 fowards and 7 d and double shifting crosby/malkin. Also you can still play the young guy and give sarge a break.

considering we'd have roughly 10 mil in cap for a shortened season, i have no problem with it as long as we don't give up too much to get him.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby columbia on Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:42 pm

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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby pcm on Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:52 pm

That article is just rehashing Bruce "The original eklund" Garrioch.

I wonder if Niskanen won't get a good look at first PP duty. His offensive game is pretty straightforward, which is a dose of what the Pens need.

Though hopefully this is the year they split up Malkin and Crosby and go with 2 top units.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Tim Thomasen on Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:06 am

mikey287 wrote:It's impossible that that was said...


Did you listen to his show? I did and he said just that. Saying if we don't trade one of our young D prospects for someone like Gonchar to win now that we are no different than the Pirates since there always thinking for the future and not the present.

I have zero problems trading someone like Morrow or Harrington for a defensemen that can help us now, but Gonch isn't that guy. Not anymore.

Funny Madden said this when a week ago someone called into his show asking should the Pens go after Gonch. Madden said "To do what? Work the concession stands?" But hey Madden wouldn't be Madden if he didn't contradict himself.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby KG on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:44 am

This will probably happen soon....do it....get the band back together!
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby littlemoonboot on Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:54 am

That Montreal series clip where Gonch just completely phoned it in still haunts me... I suppose it's worth looking into and seeing what he can do for what price though. He does have a steadying influence when he's there.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:17 pm

littlemoonboot wrote:That Montreal series clip where Gonch just completely phoned it in still haunts me... I suppose it's worth looking into and seeing what he can do for what price though. He does have a steadying influence when he's there.

lmb... wow... glad to see that yer still alive
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:20 pm

Gonchars defense is like dressing a traffic cone in a Pens Jersey.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby offsides on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:23 pm

FreeCandy44 wrote:Gonchars defense is like dressing a traffic cone in a Pens Jersey.


:D :thumb:
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby DesertPenguin on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:30 pm

I don't buy it. The sentimental part of me loves Sarge and misses him, but I don't believe it will happen. It is tempting, especially since Sullivan has departed, and Gonch could replace what Sullivan gave us on the PP and then some. However, what the Pens lack is physicality on the back end, and Sarge does nothing to help that cause. Also, when Michalek was dealt, Ray Shero said it was time to let the young guys play. You don't make room for the young guys by signing a 38 year old veteran.

I think the Pens go with 4 forwards on the PP again and play the umbrella with Letang at the top, Malkin and Crosby to either side (able to rotate to either half wall) and Neal with one of Kunitz or Tangradi down low. Basically Sid takes Sullivan's place. They tried that when Sid came back, but there wasn't enough time to get it clicking, so Sullivan went back. Now they will make it work. The second unit can have Niskanen and Despres on it with Sutter, Kunitz/Tangradi and either Dupuis or Kennedy, or Bennett if he makes the big team.

The only value Gonch has anymore is on the PP, and I think we have enough without him. I'd rather have a Hal Gill type.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:23 pm

Would anyone be interested in a Martin for Gonchar deal?
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby pugilist13 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:27 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Would anyone be interested in a Martin for Gonchar deal?

No, as much as i dont care for Martin, that would be a steal for the Sens. Now, if they sweeten the pot...
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:36 pm

Did anyone watch Gonchar during last year on the Sens much? If yes, how did he look?
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby netwolf on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:48 pm

55 still has value as a bottom pair, power play guy. You ideally don't pay $5.5M for that though, even if you do have boatloads of cap space. I would still pass regardless, as I think the coaching staff would end up playing him too much, and that wouldn't work out well for anyone except the opposition.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Doogs on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:49 pm

Wouldn't go more than a 3rd round pick for him.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby littlemoonboot on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:51 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
littlemoonboot wrote:That Montreal series clip where Gonch just completely phoned it in still haunts me... I suppose it's worth looking into and seeing what he can do for what price though. He does have a steadying influence when he's there.

lmb... wow... glad to see that yer still alive


I avoided everything LGP/hockey more or less because it depressed me. But I'm glad to be back! :fist:
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:57 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Did anyone watch Gonchar during last year on the Sens much? If yes, how did he look?


Not so hot...good in transition as always, but closer to the Montreal series than the 2008 version...he got babysit a bit by Chris Phillips too, so that helped the defense and the physicality of the pairing. But that would be a lot of responsibility for Orpik who has never been a babysitter as I recall. He was paired with Gonchar, sure, but it was mildly competent Gonchar so it wasn't a full-time job...
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:59 pm

I can't see how he would be worse defensively than Martin. His point total from last season was pretty good, too. Same ice time as Martin and only -4 on a worse team. Actually, nevermind. Maybe we can trade Martin for a younger guy (than Gonchar). I know, I know. This could be a fresh start for Martin. Yeah, pardon me, but I won't hold my breath.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:00 pm

Sarcastic wrote:I can't see how he would be worse defensively than Martin. His point total from last season was pretty good, too. Same ice time as Martin and only -4 on a worse team. Actually, nevermind. Maybe we can trade Martin for a younger guy. I know, I know. This could be a fresh start for Martin. Yeah, pardon me, but I won't hold my breath.


He's way worse defensively than Martin...
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Sarcastic on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:02 pm

Is he really? I mean, I don't want to start a hate Martin thing here. I just have given him too many chances. He'll go through good period, then... well, you know. Get out-pushed in front of his own net again. I'll stop here and we'll see how he does when they start playing.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby no name on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:05 pm

Ok Gonch has a 5 million cap hit, if and only if ottawa buys him out of that, and he is a UFA and agrees to work for League min. do i see this happening.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:12 pm

Buying him out wouldn't help us this year, these compliance buyouts aren't til next year (if only we had signatures, that would go in it because I have feeling this'll be repeated a ton). Also, yes, Gonchar is worse defensively.

Also, we have to consider the other team in this (which rarely takes place in these trade scenarios). Ottawa's defense will be what...

Methot-Karlsson
Phillips-Gonchar
Weircioch-Boro

Mike Lundin is hurt, Jared Cowen is out for the year...remove Gonchar from that group and - this might sound familiar - they have 3 rookies in their top 6 on the blueline. Now, factor in tactics. The Senators run their offense through their defense. Everything goes backwards and then they come up with numbers. Transition d-men are valuable to them, Karlsson's Norris and ridiculous point totals last year are a testament to that. Gonchar remains valuable on that front. Methot and Phillips both handle the puck below average and the two rookies I have there aren't a whole lot different than our fringe prospects (like in the Brian Strait atmosphere).

I'm not sure the Senators can really pull this off right now. Maybe if Lundin and Cowen were available, but I see them auditioning a defenseman at camp WITH Gonchar...can't imagine without him...they'd need some assurances of another trade or signing somewhere...

(Wow, it felt like I haven't made a post like this in forever...felt good.)
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby MRandall25 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:26 pm

Martin for Gonchar? What in God's name have you been smoking?

Martin is a Norris winner compared to what Gonchar's defensive game has become.
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby pens_CT on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:26 pm

The Pens were tied for 5th last year in the NHL on the PP, and accomplished this without Crosby for most of the year. So why do we need Gonchar whose main value is running the PP?
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Re: Gonchar may be coming back

Postby Fire0nice228 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:59 am

pens_CT wrote:The Pens were tied for 5th last year in the NHL on the PP, and accomplished this without Crosby for most of the year. So why do we need Gonchar whose main value is running the PP?



THANK YOU!!!!!! For the same reason we need a 'scoring winger for Sid!' when the Pens were the highest scoring team in the league last season (without Sid for most of it..)
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