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Re: Lockout

Postby columbia on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:05 am

8 teams would be over, if the $64.3 had been (proportionally) applied to this season:
http://www.capgeek.com/?salary_cap=%2464%2C300%2C000

I'm too lazy too at individual teams for next season, so see how many this will actually affect.

So perhaps most of the buyouts will be simply to jettison the financial obligation and not necessarily for cap compliance.
(Unless buyouts can only happen for compliance? That's the part I haven't yet grokked.)
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:05 am

KG wrote:
shmenguin wrote:The Flyers don't need any buyouts. I'm not sure they'll use any unless pronger wants to officially retire. But he wouldn't count against the cap anyways.


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Bryzgalof would be someone they should buyout....
Oh crap. Forgot. That's a big chunk of change
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:08 am

columbia wrote:Good riddance to this thread.

And yet it continues... :)

Time to revive the Hossa to Detroit and Jagr to Philly threads... :pop:
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Re: Lockout

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:09 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
columbia wrote:Good riddance to this thread.

And yet it continues... :)

Time to revive the Hossa to Detroit and Jagr to Philly threads... :pop:

Let's not and say we did...
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Re: Lockout

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:09 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
columbia wrote:Good riddance to this thread.

And yet it continues... :)

Time to revive the Hossa to Detroit and Jagr to Philly threads... :pop:

And Racchi's rug, too... :scared:
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Re: Lockout

Postby topshelf on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:11 am

Quick question:

- Will there be a rule prohibiting teams from buying a player out and then resigning him to a smaller deal? I know this was mentioned earlier in this thread (for example: buy out Sid and then resign him to a 1 mil./yr. deal. He gets his cash, we get the cap space). As much as I'd like to take advantage of this, I seriously hope the NHL prevents this from taking place.
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Re: Lockout

Postby nocera on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:11 am

So, who won?
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:12 am

topshelf wrote:Quick question:

- Will there be a rule prohibiting teams from buying a player out and then resigning him to a smaller deal? I know this was mentioned earlier in this thread (for example: buy out Sid and then resign him to a 1 mil./yr. deal. He gets his cash, we get the cap space). As much as I'd like to take advantage of this, I seriously hope the NHL prevents this from taking place.


Can't do that.
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Re: Lockout

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:14 am

nocera wrote:So, who won?


I think they played to a tie. Regular season ruls and all that. :)
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Re: Lockout

Postby darkstar57 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:16 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
nocera wrote:So, who won?


I think they played to a tie. Regular season ruls and all that. :)


i agree with that one

Owners got 50-50 split right away
Players got pension
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Re: Lockout

Postby Bowser on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:20 am

Owners got what they wanted
* 50% split with Hockey Related Revenue (HRR)
* Contract limits to 7-years for free agents signing with another team, 8-year limit if player resigns with existing team.
* Contract variance cannot exceed 35% from year to year or 50% over any two year period of the deal.
* Minimum salary will be $525,000 to start this season, reaches $750k by year 10.

Players got what they wanted
* Pension
* Players will receive $300 million in deferred “make-whole” payments
* ‘13-14 salary cap max will be $64.3 million, salary floor sticks to $44 million
* Salary arbitration rights change, teams can only walk away if award $3.5 million or higher.
* Two buyouts can be used prior to ‘14-15 season, will cost 2/3 of deal, won’t apply to team salary cap, will apply to players’ share of HRR.
* Significant increase in revenue sharing to $200 million per year
* Players on 1-way deal in AHL will have salary applied to NHL cap over $375,000 – I call this the Wade Redden rule.

It shouldn't have needed to take this long.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Dickie Dunn on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:25 am

I personally cannot wait for Bettman to fix the draft lottery every year so we can watch the Penguins stockpile number one pick after number one pick.
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Re: Lockout

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:27 am

Dickie Dunn wrote:I personally cannot wait for Bettman to fix the draft lottery every year so we can watch the Penguins stockpile number one pick after number one pick.

Are all teams in the lottery and not just the bottom 10? I mean, I wouldn't complain if the pens won the lottery, but it would be pretty lame if the SC winning team won the lottery and got "the next one" instead of a team that legitimately needs them.
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Re: Lockout

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:29 am

Bowser wrote:* Contract variance cannot exceed 35% from year to year or 50% over any two year period of the deal.

That is a lot different than "the last year can't vary more than 50% from the first"... don't think I like that if it's true.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:30 am

shmenguin wrote:
KG wrote:
shmenguin wrote:The Flyers don't need any buyouts. I'm not sure they'll use any unless pronger wants to officially retire. But he wouldn't count against the cap anyways.


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Bryzgalof would be someone they should buyout....
Oh crap. Forgot. That's a big chunk of change


Bryz and Pronger would be the big 2 off the Flyers roster.
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Re: Lockout

Postby no name on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:31 am

darkstar57 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
nocera wrote:So, who won?


I think they played to a tie. Regular season ruls and all that. :)


i agree with that one

Owners got 50-50 split right away
Players got pension



Owners won, you locked out the players, the first offer is a joke of a deal, then you make it look like you gave up so much to get a deal done. Ok the pension... you have to give them something. There are so many restrictions on the players from the first deal to what is in place now, how can you a owner not like what you got.

The league is alot healither. From the players last CBA deal to this CBA deal, the onwers didn't lose much, but they laid down alot more restirctions on the players. This could be bad though, the players might try to take their teams to the bank more now than ever. No one will get a 100 million dollar deal now.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Kovy27 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:32 am

Slight Advantage to the Owners.
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Re: Lockout

Postby mikey287 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:33 am

the wicked child wrote:
Dickie Dunn wrote:I personally cannot wait for Bettman to fix the draft lottery every year so we can watch the Penguins stockpile number one pick after number one pick.

Are all teams in the lottery and not just the bottom 10? I mean, I wouldn't complain if the pens won the lottery, but it would be pretty lame if the SC winning team won the lottery and got "the next one" instead of a team that legitimately needs them.


As per old CBA, all non-playoff teams are in a weighted lottery. No team can move more than four spots. Ex.: 7th worst team can move to #3, but worst team retains #1 pick. Odds are very much against anyone besides worst or second worst getting the #1 selection.
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Re: Lockout

Postby the wicked child on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:37 am

mikey287 wrote:As per old CBA, all non-playoff teams are in a weighted lottery. No team can move more than four spots. Ex.: 7th worst team can move to #3, but worst team retains #1 pick. Odds are very much against anyone besides worst or second worst getting the #1 selection.

Ok, so then at least only non-playoff teams could win the lottery under this new rule. Not so bad.
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Re: Lockout

Postby Gaucho on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:44 am

The Snapshot wrote:I'm glad the lockout is finally over. I missed Tyler Kennedy like crazy and can't wait to see him play again.


:slug:
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Re: Lockout

Postby Dickie Dunn on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:50 am

mikey287 wrote:
the wicked child wrote:
Dickie Dunn wrote:I personally cannot wait for Bettman to fix the draft lottery every year so we can watch the Penguins stockpile number one pick after number one pick.

Are all teams in the lottery and not just the bottom 10? I mean, I wouldn't complain if the pens won the lottery, but it would be pretty lame if the SC winning team won the lottery and got "the next one" instead of a team that legitimately needs them.


As per old CBA, all non-playoff teams are in a weighted lottery. No team can move more than four spots. Ex.: 7th worst team can move to #3, but worst team retains #1 pick. Odds are very much against anyone besides worst or second worst getting the #1 selection.


Yea. I brain farted when reading no name's previous post.
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Re: Lockout

Postby shmenguin on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:50 am

Gaucho wrote:
The Snapshot wrote:I'm glad the lockout is finally over. I missed Tyler Kennedy like crazy and can't wait to see him play again.


:slug:


It's also been way too long since someone was chastised for not getting up and fighting immediately after being severely concussed. So it's good to have everyone back.
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Re: Lockout

Postby tfrizz on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:51 am

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Re: Lockout

Postby SolidSnake on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:56 am

Scot Beckenbaugh should be awarding the cup he deserves it
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Re: Lockout

Postby FreeCandy44 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:57 am

WOOHOO! I can't wait for hockey. So did they actually expand the playoffs to 20 teams? Or will it still be 16?
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