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Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby thepittman on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:17 am

Give the guy a chance, it's a new season for everyone. Who knows why he was off last year, but that doesn't necessitate a continued lackluster performance. Kick some ass this year Martin!
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby DelPen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:21 am

Is this post from August 2011?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby thepittman on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:23 am

DelPen wrote:Is this post from August 2011?

This is January 2013 bro, new beginnings and all that ****
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:24 am

I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:31 am

A global comment:

When you focus all of the Penguins' problems on one person, a so-called whipping boy, you appear less knowledgeable than the posters that possess a more nuanced view of the team and its problems. Along those lines, rash responses like "Martin Sucks" or "AHHH Martin," carry a lot less weight than "Martin needs to adapt to X" or "We don't have a replacement for Martin."

To the extent you're interested in preserving or creating credibility, "player bashing" is not the way to go. It also generally brings down the quality of the board and makes people run away.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:35 am

Martin sucks, and while I can't blame him for signing it, he should adapt to being bashed for signing a deal that overpays him.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby mikey287 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:38 am

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Gotta nuke somethin'...
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby thepittman on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:40 am

shafnutz05 wrote:I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause

Well that is assumed, but the beginning of the season isn't the time for the shark tank.

I also thought the amnesty only went into affect after this season? Seems a little early to put the crosshairs on anyone.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby helmespc on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:48 am

This year, everyone sucks until proven otherwise....
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby mikey287 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:57 am

helmespc wrote:This year, everyone sucks until proven otherwise....


It's January and we're winless...

And yes...the amnesty buyouts are next summer, not next week...like I said, that would be my signature if the board had them enabled haha...
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby lemieuxReturns on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:07 pm

thepittman wrote:Give the guy a chance, it's a new season for everyone. Who knows why he was off last year, but that doesn't necessitate a continued lackluster performance. Kick some ass this year Martin!



Not sure why people somehow forget that he was not great the year before last either. People have a legit reason to gripe over him still being a penguin. However, you are right... this is a new year and he is still a penguin, so we should all allow him to start over and see what he can do. But his leash should be short. Of the two, Z was the lesser of two evils.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:07 pm

Does each team get 2 buyouts next summer? And is that the only time these buyouts are in effect? Or will they be in subsequent off-seasons (i.e. summer of 2014)?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:09 pm

It would just be 2 for next summer, it wouldn't carry beyond. Its just to get in compliance with the new cap.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Troy Loney on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:11 pm

Is that a rhetorical question?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Penspal on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:12 pm

Shero stated in the paper that Martin admittedly had a bad year and that Martin feels he can play better.

After 10 games in a 48 game schedule, we'll likely have informed opinions ;)
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby penny lane on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:13 pm

martin has never been great. 1st year here , he needed time to adjust to blysma system. wasn't very good against tampa in play-offs. His play must not fit blysma system. ?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:15 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:It would just be 2 for next summer, it wouldn't carry beyond. Its just to get in compliance with the new cap.


That is what I thought, as it makes the most sense.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:22 pm

1) hockey's back. Time to discuss
2) the buyout isn't until next year, but its still a reasonable discussion point now, since its a fun new wrinkle
3) Martin is the player who needs to improve the most (there's fleury, but that's complicated). 4) Who else is that interesting? Seems like our team is made up of consistent commodities or young guys that people know nothing about.

That makes him a hot topic. I agree that there are hollow arguments surrounding the guy, but he's a significant puzzle piece right now.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby darkstar57 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:39 pm

because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Kharlamov on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:20 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause


I think a lot of the criticism of Martin has to do with Martin
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Kharlamov wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause


I think a lot of the criticism of Martin has to do with Martin


lol, I am not even saying I disagree with most of the criticism, but I think it is being renewed with fresh vigor at the prospect of a contract buyout.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby columbia on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:22 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
Kharlamov wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause


I think a lot of the criticism of Martin has to do with Martin


lol, I am not even saying I disagree with most of the criticism, but I think it is being renewed with fresh vigor at the prospect of a contract buyout.


There's blood in the water n'at.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Kharlamov on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:24 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:
Kharlamov wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:I think a lot of the emphasis on criticism of Martin has to do with the buyout clause


I think a lot of the criticism of Martin has to do with Martin


lol, I am not even saying I disagree with most of the criticism, but I think it is being renewed with fresh vigor at the prospect of a contract buyout.


Agreed. It will help fan the flames
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Sarcastic on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:33 pm

When people criticize a player it is because he isn't performing as expected. That goes for any athlete and comes with the territory of being an athlete.

Hard to see that Martin would magically transform from his often sucky form into a more dependable player, but this break is good for a guy like Martin, as it allows him to reflect and have a fresh start. I'll be rooting for him again, but I'm keeping my eyes open and would like to see some improvement.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby BigMcK on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:58 pm

I expect Martin to play like Martin wants to play here type of player. Maybe the shortened season will benefit him in not taking a beating for a whole season.
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