Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby jwest21 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:25 pm

darkstar57 wrote:because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately

This. There will always be someone.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby joopen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:27 pm

What happens if Martin gets bought out after this year and Kennedy and Tangradi don't resign?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Orlando Penguin on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:31 pm

Penspal wrote:

After 10 minutes in a 48 game schedule, we'll likely have informed opinions ;)




Fixed :D :D
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Mr. Colby on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:32 pm

joopen wrote:What happens if Martin gets bought out after this year and Kennedy and Tangradi don't resign?


There will never be another trade rumor posted on here again...
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:39 pm

Marc Andre Fleury sucks, start Vokoun ... there, the Martin hate should be abated at least until the next post.

There always has to be a whipping boy, it's kind of like Jr. High.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:42 pm

How bad does a player have to perform to transition from "omg whipping boy" to "horribly underperforming player"?
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:51 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:How bad does a player have to perform to transition from "omg whipping boy" to "horribly underperforming player"?


Well, there's multiple variables... one of which is 'size of contract'

And to answer your question directly, a smidge worse than Martin :pop:
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:52 pm

There have been times where Martin hasn't underperformed, but people were too busy nitpicking his game to notice.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Rylan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:55 pm

I miss Whitney.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:05 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:How bad does a player have to perform to transition from "omg whipping boy" to "horribly underperforming player"?

the answer lies somewhere in between kennedy and martin
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:08 pm

Rylan wrote:I miss Whitney.


I have never, and I WILL never utter those words.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:11 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:How bad does a player have to perform to transition from "omg whipping boy" to "horribly underperforming player"?


Thats what i've been wondering ever since Martin has been bad.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby pcm on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:12 pm

Martin admits he had a horrible year. Why whip the whippers? You're just perpetuating violence...
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Rylan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:18 pm

Whitney was not a bad player.

Martin had a bad year. Whether or not that was directly related to being partnered with someone who wanted out is to be determined at a later time.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:20 pm

Rylan wrote:Whitney was not a bad player.


Says you... You'll NEVER convince me of that.

In all my years watching hockey, I've only seen one other Penguin who was so afraid of contact, and Dan Quinn was atleast a Winger.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Hugo Stiglitz on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:37 pm

As much as I dislike Martin, I hope he proves me wrong. Anyone who is not a fan of his only has to gain by him having a solid season. How can him playing well and making us better be bad aside from people having to eat crow? I never want a player to perform badly.

That being said, my faith in Martin is low. I'm not sure what the stipulations are with the buyouts as far as when they have to be done. If any buyouts have to be done BEFORE the start of the 2013/2014, I think it's a good bet that this will be Martin's last season to make cap-room to resign the important UFAs that come due after the 2013/2014 season...especially with Despres, Morrow and possibly Harrington knocking on the door.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Dan H on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:09 pm

jwest21 wrote:
darkstar57 wrote:because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately

This. There will always be someone.

Has anyone ever assembled a history of the semi-official LGP whipping boy? What would it look like?

Paul Martin (2011-2013)
Tyler Kennedy (2008-2010)
Ryan Whitney (2007-2008)
Rob Scuderi (2006)
Rico Fata (2005)
Josef Melichar (2003-04) (maybe Robsef Scuderichar)
Aleksey Morozov? (2002)
???
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby joopen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:20 pm

Dan H wrote:
jwest21 wrote:
darkstar57 wrote:because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately

This. There will always be someone.

Has anyone ever assembled a history of the semi-official LGP whipping boy? What would it look like?

Paul Martin (2011-2013)
Tyler Kennedy (2008-2010)
Ryan Whitney (2007-2008)
Rob Scuderi (2006)
Rico Fata (2005)
Josef Melichar (2003-04) (maybe Robsef Scuderichar)
Aleksey Morozov? (2002)
???


You forgot MAF (forever)
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby TheHammer24 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 pm

Dan H wrote:
jwest21 wrote:
darkstar57 wrote:because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately

This. There will always be someone.

Has anyone ever assembled a history of the semi-official LGP whipping boy? What would it look like?

Paul Martin (2011-2013)
Tyler Kennedy (2008-2010)
Ryan Whitney (2007-2008)
Rob Scuderi (2006)
Rico Fata (2005)
Josef Melichar (2003-04) (maybe Robsef Scuderichar)
Aleksey Morozov? (2002)
???

WOW! Terrible list. Michelle Ouelette is very noticeably missing.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Fire0nice228 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 pm

I think its funny that everyone assumes the Pens will buy out Paul Martin (or anyone really)... The Pens are a 'break even' team who have openly said they have to get to atleast the second round to turn a meaningful profit. These are real dollars coming out of Mario and Burkles pocket and I don't believe that there is a whole ton of extra flying around like the Rangers or others have..
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby joopen on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:24 pm

Fire0nice228 wrote:I think its funny that everyone assumes the Pens will buy out Paul Martin (or anyone really)... The Pens are a 'break even' team who have openly said they have to get to atleast the second round to turn a meaningful profit. These are real dollars coming out of Mario and Burkles pocket and I don't believe that there is a whole ton of extra flying around like the Rangers or others have..


If the cap was set to the original $60M that was being floated, he would have almost had to have been bought out. At $64.3M, the Pens have $11M to fill a roster next year with roughly 8 players instead of only having $7M. I think he stays.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby Rylan on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:33 pm

I still hate TK.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby BigMcK on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:37 pm

TheHammer24 wrote:
Dan H wrote:
jwest21 wrote:
darkstar57 wrote:because the board must have its..... precious

errr i mean Whipping Boy, been watching too Much Lord of the Rings/Hobbit movies lately

This. There will always be someone.

Has anyone ever assembled a history of the semi-official LGP whipping boy? What would it look like?

Paul Martin (2011-2013)
Tyler Kennedy (2008-2010)
Ryan Whitney (2007-2008)
Rob Scuderi (2006)
Rico Fata (2005)
Josef Melichar (2003-04) (maybe Robsef Scuderichar)
Aleksey Morozov? (2002)
???

WOW! Terrible list. Michelle Ouelette is very noticeably missing.


Neil "Nachos" Wilkinson is still looking for the Handi Wipes.
Also missing, Bad Boy Tommy Barrasso.
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby mikey287 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:40 pm

Ron Stackhouse in the 70's...
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Re: Why the bashing of Martin before the season even starts?

Postby mac5155 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:53 pm

martin straka
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