Baseball hall of fame adds...

[joopen]

If his records are displayed in the HoF I don't really think it matters whether he is in or not.

This

[MWB]

Well considering one of the qualifications for entry is and always has been "integrity", I could see how they would want to exclude those who are deemed ineligible to participate in the MLB.

Yet Ty Cobb is in.

Is Ty Cobb ineligible to participate in MLB?

One of the qualifications is "integrity," and Cobb failed that on many levels. Arbitrary application.

[Rylan]

Where is the accountability on LGP? First we are stealing hot sauce from Chipolte and now we don't want rules to exist because we don't like them

What is the point of this rule? The betting on baseball rule for MLB makes sense. This rule for keeping people out of the HoF doesn't make sense and serves no purpose.

Well considering one of the qualifications for entry is and always has been "integrity", I could see how they would want to exclude those who are deemed ineligible to participate in the MLB.

Yet Ty Cobb is in.

Is Ty Cobb ineligible to participate in MLB?

I don't think the let corpses into MLB anymore. Though Jamie Moyer pushes that rule a bit.

[ExPatriatePen]

Where is the accountability on LGP? First we are stealing hot sauce from Chipolte and now we don't want rules to exist because we don't like them

What is the point of this rule? The betting on baseball rule for MLB makes sense. This rule for keeping people out of the HoF doesn't make sense and serves no purpose.

It's highly possible, probable even, that if Rose didn't purposely throw games when he was a manager, he at least shaved points.

I repect the way Rose played (Charlie Hustle), but IMHO he does not belong in the HoF.

The betting has nothing to do with his on field performance. That's what merits HoF consideration. Put the betting stuff on the plaque.

It's not the betting itself, it's the fact that as a manager he had control over the outcome of games (ie. Point shaving).

How is point shaving not something that would immediately disqualify you in *any* sport.

[MWB]

It does disqualify you from the sport. And no one is arguing that Rose shouldn't be banned from baseball. He is and should be. However, he should be in the Hall of Fame for his play.

[Rylan]

Is Pete Rose one of the best ball players of all time? yes or no?

[joopen]

Well considering one of the qualifications for entry is and always has been "integrity", I could see how they would want to exclude those who are deemed ineligible to participate in the MLB.

Yet Ty Cobb is in.

Is Ty Cobb ineligible to participate in MLB?

One of the qualifications is "integrity," and Cobb failed that on many levels. Arbitrary application.

It is their rules not yours. Cobb is not ineligible. Rose is. End of story.

[ExPatriatePen]

Well, we'l have to agree to disagree... in my mind, anyone who's been banned from playing (not just suspended), should never be admitted to something called a "Hall of Fame".

[MWB]

Well considering one of the qualifications for entry is and always has been "integrity", I could see how they would want to exclude those who are deemed ineligible to participate in the MLB.

Yet Ty Cobb is in.

Is Ty Cobb ineligible to participate in MLB?

One of the qualifications is "integrity," and Cobb failed that on many levels. Arbitrary application.

It is their rules not yours. Cobb is not ineligible. Rose is. End of story.

And no one should dare disagree with the sacred (yet arbitrary) rules of the Hall!

[Rylan]

And yet Pete Rose has transcended the Hall of Fame by having a good many people finding the Hall of Fame to be nothing but a political sham.

[MWB]

Is Pete Rose one of the best ball players of all time? yes or no?

How high on the list are you talking?

[joopen]

You can disagree all you want. Pete Rose is the only one to blame for him not being in the Hall

[Rylan]

Does it matter? He is probably top 100.

[MWB]

You can disagree all you want. Pete Rose is the only one to blame for him not being in the Hall

Of course he is, but that doesn't make it any less foolish in my mind. It's a museum that theoretically celebrates the best players through the years. By keeping players out it does itself and the fans a disservice.

[joopen]

You can disagree all you want. Pete Rose is the only one to blame for him not being in the Hall

Of course he is, but that doesn't make it any less foolish in my mind. It's a museum that theoretically celebrates the best players through the years. By keeping players out it does itself and the fans a disservice.

His records are acknowledged and honored

[Rylan]

You can disagree all you want. Pete Rose is the only one to blame for him not being in the Hall

Of course he is, but that doesn't make it any less foolish in my mind. It's a museum that theoretically celebrates the best players through the years. By keeping players out it does itself and the fans a disservice.

I like the point about it being a museum about the history of baseball. The best players need to be in, regardless of silly posturing and politicizing.

[MRandall25]

One could argue they don't even let the "best" players in anymore. Hall of Fame has become "The Hall of Very Good". Once again, politics.

[MWB]

Joopen, this seems to be all about the rule for you. So if they decided to change that rule 5 years from now, you wouldn't care if he was admitted, right? Or am I misunderstanding?

[canaan]

Look up Bowie Kuhn in the baseball hall of fame and get back to me about integrity being the basis for their entrance to the hall. Its hypocritical grandstanding by old men who have a revisionist history of the good ole days of professional baseball

[MWB]

One could argue they don't even let the "best" players in anymore. Hall of Fame has become "The Hall of Very Good". Once again, politics.

Examples?

If they put Jack Morris in, I would put him in that category. Biggio... not sure. He never really stuck out as an exceptional player to me, but he's got some great numbers.

[joopen]

Joopen, this seems to be all about the rule for you. So if they decided to change that rule 5 years from now, you wouldn't care if he was admitted, right? Or am I misunderstanding?

If he is ever deemed eligible he should be voted in.

I just hate that people refuse to make Rose be accountable for his own problems. He isn't in the hall because he thought he was above the rules. That's his problem not the hall's

[ulf]

biggio has 3,000 hits. should have been in today if the BBWAA didn't have their infatuation with first ballots, even though every other player with 3,000 was a first ballot HOFer

[columbia]

Side note:
Johnny Bench is the only first ballot catcher.

Carry on...

[JS©]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-trian ... ll-of-fame

Good article on how messed up the voting system for the BBHoF is.

[DudeMan2766]

Um, Pete Rose is in the Hall of Fame, ladies and germs