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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby meow on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:47 pm

I'm going to select the best defenseman in team history. I'm surprised, but ecstatic he fell to me.

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Francois Leroux!!
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:51 pm

And to top it all off, I'm going to take the best center ever to put on a Pens uniform:

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Milan Kraft!
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:32 pm

Kraft was who was considering picking, but went with Arnason instead...
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:36 pm

Ok, that concludes the draft. Took us about a month, much faster than I expected!

- There is a brief time now for add/drop. Though, the pickin' is slim...

- Please review your lineups here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=60027&p=2251670#p2251670
and either make adjustments on your own and post them here or simply tell me what needs to be changed and I'll change it for you.

Note: When setting your lineup. Please include:
- A captain
- At least one alternate captain (max 2)
- Two, 5-man power play units
- Two, 4-man penalty kill units

This shouldn't take but a couple of minutes...so we'll expect them in pretty short order if at all possible. Thanks.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:57 pm

My team:

Coach: Scotty Bowman

Kelly-Bullard-Pronovost
Barnes-Straka-Tocchet
Hadfield-Schock-McDonough
Bourque-Hrdina-Bianchin/Naslund

X-Naslund/Bianchin, Kraft

Coffey-Zalapski
Slegr-Werenka
Martin-Campbell

X-Mccallum, Tamer

Wregget
Johnson

PP1:
Tocchet-Bullard-Pronovost
Coffey-Slegr

PP2:
Kelly-Straka-Barnes
Zalapski-Martin

PK1:
Barnes-Schock
Coffey-Werenka

PK2:
Straka-Bourque
Slegr-Martin

Captain: Jean Pronovost
Alternates: Ron Schock, Mike Bullard

I figured it was easier just to do the whole thing through my notes. Moved a winger or 2 to the other side, but it's basically what you have.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Rylan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:33 pm

I will do this when I have more time
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby meow on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:58 pm

<Start Chicago Bulls Entrance music>

Chris Kunitz (A) - Ron Francis (C) - Joe Mullen
Mark Recchi - John Cullen - Petr Sykora
Matt Cooke - Warren Young - Shawn McEachern
Jarkko Ruutu - Max Talbot - Peter Lee

Larry Murphy (A) - Darius Kasparaitis
Rob Scuderi - Andrew Ference
Mark Eaton - Alex Goligoski

Johan Hedberg
Wendell Young

Tonight's scratches: Doug Shedden, Center; Grant Jennings, Defense; Marc Bergevin, Defense; Francois Leroux, Defense

Coached by Dan Bylsma

Power-play Unit Number One (nicknamed "The Nightmare")
Recchi - Francis - Mullen
Murphy - Goligoski

Power-play Unit Number Two
Kunitz - Cullen - Sykora
Eaton - Ference

Killers Unit One (nicknamed "No Dice")
Cooke - Talbot
Kasparatis - Scuderi

Killers Unit Two
McEachern - Ruutu
Eaton - Ference
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Rylan on Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:18 pm

Head coach: Marc Boileau
Assistant coach: Red Kelly

LINE 1: Ryan Malone - Evgeni Malkin(C) - Alexei Kovalev
LINE 2: Troy Loney(A) - Pierre Larouche - Pat Boutette
LINE 3: Craig Simpson - Jordan Staal - Colby Armstrong
LINE 4: Aleksey Morozov - Tyler Wright - Dan Frawley

Scratches: Gary Rissling, Rico Fata

D-PAIRING 1: Brooks Orpik(A) - Doug Bodger
D-PAIRING 2: Kjell Samuelsson - Ryan Whitney
D-PAIRING 3: Jim Johnson - Michal Rozsival

Scratches: Peter Taglianetti

STARTING GOALIE: Marc-Andre Fleury
BACK UP GOALIE: Jean-Sebastien Aubin

PP1: Ryan Malone - Evgeni Malkin - Alexi Kovalev
Ryan Whitney - Michal Rozsival

PP2: Jordan Staal - Pierre Larouche - Pat Boutette
Doug Bodger - Brooks Orpik


PK1: Jordan Staal - Troy Loney
Brooks Orpik - Kjell Samuelsson

PK2: Tyler Wright - Colby Armstrong
Doug Bodger - Michal Rozsival

SHOOTOUT: Pierre Laroche
Alexi Kovalev
Evgeni Malkin
Patrick Boutette
Jordan Staal
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:12 pm

Leroux ahead of Jonsson and Melichar? Now that really hurts.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:14 pm

Gaucho wrote:Leroux ahead of Jonsson and Melichar? Now that really hurts.


Thought the same thing, but he wanted some more muscle I'm assuming.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:31 pm

Head coach: Eddie Johnston

Rod Schutt - Sidney Crosby (C) - Rick Kehoe
Bob Errey (A) - Petr Nedved - Tomas Sandstrom
Keith McCreary (A) - Orest Kindrachuk - Nick Harbaruk
Val Fonteyne - Bryan Hextall, Jr. - Paul Gardner

X: Lew Morrison
X: Blair Chapman

Ulf Samuelsson - Sergei Gonchar
Randy Hillier - Kevin Hatcher
Gordie Roberts - Ian Moran

X: Paul Stanton
X: Paul Baxter

Les Binkley
Michel Dion

PP1: Nedved - Crosby - Kehoe - Gonchar - Hatcher
PP2: Schutt - Gardner - Sandstrom - Gonchar - Hillier

PK1: Kindrachuk - Errey - Gonchar - Roberts
PK2: McCreary - Fonteyne - Hillier - Samuelsson
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:35 pm

Gonchar on both PPs? Interesting strategy.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:39 pm

The Sarge can handle it.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby dman66 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:22 pm

LINE ONE - Kevin Stevens - Mario Lemieux (C)- Rob Brown
LINE TWO - Lowell MacDonald - Robert Lang - Pascal Dupuis
LINE THREE - Ruslan Fedotenko - Bryan Trottier (A) - Tyler Kennedy
LINE FOUR - Mike Rupp - Wally Boyer - Jay Caufield

Bench - Kip Miller, Dan Quinn

D1 - Randy Carlyle - Ron Stackhouse (A)
D2 - Russ Anderson - Rod Buskas
D3 - Dick Tarnstrom - Deryk Engelland

Bench - Bob Paradise, Jim Paek

Greg Millen
Frank Pietrangelo

Coach - Kevin Constantine

PP1
Stevens - Lemieux - Brown
Stackhouse - Carlyle

PP2
Fedotenko - Lemieux - MacDonald
Lang - Tarnstrom

PK1
Trottier - Dupuis
Carlyle - Stackhouse

PK2
Boyer - Lemieux
Anderson - Engelland
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby meow on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:27 pm

I thought about having Murphy on both units, but I decided against it.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:34 pm

I almost did it with Coffey, but then realized it would be a waste of having Zalapski not on the PP.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:37 pm

My strategy is to take as many penalties as possible, because I have a ton of good PKers.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:56 pm

American Finesse
Head coach: Michel Therrien

Randy Cunneyworth - Syl Apps, Jr. - Jaromir Jagr
Greg Polis - Greg Malone - Ken Schinkel (C)
Ross Lonsberry - Gregg Sheppard - George Ferguson
Dean Prentice - Dave Hannan - Craig Adams

X: John Chabot
X: Andy Bathgate
X: Chuck Arnason

Dave Burrows (A) - Kristopher Letang
Duane Rupp - Moe Mantha
Bryan Watson - Bob Woytowich (A)

X: Darryl Edestrand

Tom Barrasso
Denis Herron

PP1: Randy Cunneyworth - Syl Apps, Jr. - Jaromir Jagr - Kristopher Letang - Moe Mantha
PP2: Dean Prentice - Greg Malone - George Ferguson - Dave Burrows - Bob Woytowich

PK1: George Ferguson - Craig Adams - Dave Burrows - Bob Woytowich
PK2: Gregg Sheppard - Dave Hannan - Duane Rupp - Bryan Watson
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:06 pm

Jagr will be dying alive. Not even an A?
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:14 pm

Gaucho wrote:Jagr will be dying alive. Not even an A?


Thought about it. Didn't fit with the direction of the team. I want to show that Michel Therrien is in charge. The captain is a heady future coach, the two A's are consummate professional, forthright players that liked to play here.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:20 pm

Ok, I've updated post #24 with your changes. If in your continued research, you want to tweak more, just let me know.

What my itinerary is -- and I'm very open to ideas.

Things I want to accomplish:
- Discuss "best of" a position (i.e. the 5 best offensive centers, the 5 best defensive wingers, the 10 best goalies, etc.)
- Discuss the good and bad of the composition of teams. (What's weak? What's strong? Whose first line is best? Whose second pairing is best? etc.)
- Open it up to the public for their thoughts, feelings, commentary. Remember, they didn't do the research we did, some of the names don't mean as much to them as they will to us. Modern bias will run rampant, both positive and negative.
.................Rylan, you think Marc-Andre Fleury is the best goalie in team history, some people feel that he's going to lose his job to over-the-hill Tomas Vokoun...on the contrary, the lasting memory of Fleury is his save on Nicklas Lidstrom to win the Stanley Cup. These biases don't exist so readily with Les Binkley for obvious reasons.

> I'd really recommend whipping up a couple of bios if you can. Grab a couple of quotes that state what the player did and how good he was at it if you can. Again, Google News and Legends of Hockey are great places to look. Lots of Pittsburgh area papers readily searchable with Google News, just type the name and a date range and you can skim it and find some good stuff. This thread itself, I've tried to comment on many picks, others have been involved discussion throughout. Make a little something that someone can click on and go, "ah, I see...24 goals led the team that year...I guess that is a pretty good season" or "he was a mainstay on 3 of the best penalty kills in team history?!?!" or whatever...20 goals in 1967 is not 20 goals in 1981 is not 20 goals in 2004 is not 20 goals in 2006...context matters!

You don't have to go really deep into it...but some background wouldn't be bad...especially for the older players because we're relatively familiar with Sidney Crosby. Be proud of your picks and defend them. But be honest as you're also trying to educate as well.

If I'm making a profile of Kevin Hatcher, I couldn't remove all the stuff about him being soft, tuned out and passive defensively...otherwise he looks like a flawless offensive force. You can highlight good, but don't just ignore bad. Honestly, we're all picking from the same relatively shallow (though top-heavy) organization...your gonna have major flaws on at least half your players probably...it's ok.

There's a lot of close races out there that really are still open-ended...

Best goalie (Barrasso/Fleury)
3rd-5th best goalie...(...the rest)
Crosby vs. Malkin for second best center...
Who are the best defensemen ever after Coffey? It is Coffey, right? What about opposites like Carlyle and Burrows? Stackhouse and Kasparaitis?
and countless others...state your claim!

If you can...do one, toss it up, you'll find it to be pretty cool I think once the ball gets rolling...

At the end of the discussion, profile-creation, etc. I'd like to have a short playoffs.

Feel free to make suggestions, etc.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby meow on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:32 am

What's going on with this?
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:36 am

I'm assuming people are putting together some things for their players (see: above). I'll give it a couple more days and then we'll move on to the next step regardless.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby Gaucho on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:46 am

Sorry, I'm simply to buys these days to do extensive research. And with the season finally about to begin, I'm guessing people have other things on their mind at the moment.
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Re: Pittsburgh Penguins All-Time Draft - (Round 25)

Postby mikey287 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:48 am

That's ok, we'll see what turns up and then we'll work off of what we have.
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