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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:48 am

People need to drop integrity from this discussion. Rose never compromised the integrity of the game. He broke the MLB's rules(never the HoF's) and the Hall got self-righteous. The HoF is a sham without the all time hits leader. The dumbasses that are trying to keep him out to protect the Hall are doing quite the opposite.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby DudeMan2766 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:01 pm

JS© wrote:Fred McGriff should have been voted in long ago based on his contributions to the Tom Emanski instructional video series.

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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Tim Thomasen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:08 pm

canaan wrote:Look up Bowie Kuhn in the baseball hall of fame and get back to me about integrity being the basis for their entrance to the hall. Its hypocritical grandstanding by old men who have a revisionist history of the good ole days of professional baseball


I just like the fact that Bowie Kuhn is in but Marvin Miller is not. I completely understand why the hall has kept Miller out (went againist the baseball establishment to try and scrap the reserve clause) but it's still not right.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MWB on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:41 pm

Mike Piazza seems to exemplify exactly what is wrong with HoF voting. He's a no doubt HoFer. Yet there are some whispers about steroid use. No smoking gun, no admission, no first hand account, no investigation. But some decide there's a chance he did, so he's out.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Troy Loney on Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:48 pm

It's pretty silly that these baseball writers are able to do this to the players. They should stop debating chastising those known users and deifying the "clean" guys. They should be condemning owners, gm's and the commisioner for allowing steroids for all those years.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MWB on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:39 pm

Add themselves for looking the other way.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby stopper40 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:41 pm

Rylan wrote:Baseball is annoyingly self righteous
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby stopper40 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:43 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:People need to drop integrity from this discussion. Rose never compromised the integrity of the game. He broke the MLB's rules(never the HoF's) and the Hall got self-righteous. The HoF is a sham without the all time hits leader. The dumbasses that are trying to keep him out to protect the Hall are doing quite the opposite.


Posted in every locker room: If you bet on baseball you will be banned for one year, if you bet on your own team you will be banned for life. Which part was unclear to Rose?

Do you know if Rose held a pitcher out or let one stay in to cover his bets, didn't use a pinch hitter when he should have?
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MWB on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:48 pm

How do we define integrity? Can one cheat and still have integrity? Be an awful person? Or is it just an eye test and the HoF voters have decided that betting is the key to not having integrity in terms of entrance to the HoF?
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:49 pm

stopper40 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:People need to drop integrity from this discussion. Rose never compromised the integrity of the game. He broke the MLB's rules(never the HoF's) and the Hall got self-righteous. The HoF is a sham without the all time hits leader. The dumbasses that are trying to keep him out to protect the Hall are doing quite the opposite.


Posted in every locker room: If you bet on baseball you will be banned for one year, if you bet on your own team you will be banned for life. Which part was unclear to Rose?

Do you know if Rose held a pitcher out or let one stay in to cover his bets, didn't use a pinch hitter when he should have?


If you're a manager, your goal is to win the game. If you're betting on your team, your goal is to win the game. Integrity intact. Rules posted in the locker room have nothing to do with my post.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MWB on Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:58 pm

You bet more on one game than another and you may try to win it more. If Rose was betting on game after game, which he supposedly was, then he's probably not going to manage differently. If he was betting on games here and there then I think he could definitely manage differently and abuse pitchers. Not really relevant to the HoF discussion in my mind though.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Alejandro Rojas on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:18 am

MWB wrote:Mike Piazza seems to exemplify exactly what is wrong with HoF voting. He's a no doubt HoFer. Yet there are some whispers about steroid use. No smoking gun, no admission, no first hand account, no investigation. But some decide there's a chance he did, so he's out.



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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby columbia on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:55 am

MWB wrote:Mike Piazza seems to exemplify exactly what is wrong with HoF voting. He's a no doubt HoFer. Yet there are some whispers about steroid use. No smoking gun, no admission, no first hand account, no investigation. But some decide there's a chance he did, so he's out.


That was his first time on the ballot....he'll get in.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby JS© on Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:59 am

which goes back to the part about where baseball writers being so self-important where they think they can't vote for somebody because of the horror of naming somebody as a first-ballot Hall Of Famer.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MWB on Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:13 pm

columbia wrote:
MWB wrote:Mike Piazza seems to exemplify exactly what is wrong with HoF voting. He's a no doubt HoFer. Yet there are some whispers about steroid use. No smoking gun, no admission, no first hand account, no investigation. But some decide there's a chance he did, so he's out.


That was his first time on the ballot....he'll get in.


Think he eventually will. It'll just be a lot longer than it should be.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby joopen on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:38 pm

Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.

Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:40 pm

If I had to choose, it'd be Randy Johnson or Greg Maddux.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby canaan on Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:46 pm

i'd go Maddux, Clemens, Johnson...but i could be swayed on that order
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby ulf on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:10 pm

The first ballot thing is a joke. You're either a hall of famer or not.. BBWAA needs to get over themselves
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby SolidSnake on Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:17 pm

I'd say Maddux, Johnson, Schilling
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby Idoit40fans on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:14 pm

Im not really sure how anyone else is in this conversation with maddux and clemens. Distant behind them would be johnson and glavine. Then youre looking at pedro smoltz. Schilling somewhere after that. Not sure who else to put in there. Oh yeah...james mcdonald.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:21 pm

The only reason I didn't say Clemens was because of the roids stuff/perjury trials. I know that's not part of the discussion, and it shouldn't be, but I still can't get over it.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby ulf on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:30 pm

I think Pedro should be in the conversation
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby columbia on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:33 pm

ulf wrote:I think Pedro should be in the conversation


There were times where was beyond dominant and a pure pleasure to watch pitch.
It seems odd that he won less than 220 games....I got to see #200 for him at Shea, which was cool.
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Re: Baseball hall of fame adds...

Postby MRandall25 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 7:38 pm

I think had Pedro pitched a few more years (by comparison, Johnson and Clemens pitched 22 and 24 years, Pedro only pitched 18), he would've had at least 250.
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