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ulf wrote:Wins are a crappy stat, lowest career ERA out of all four. I don't know if I'd say he's #1 for sure, but I wouldn't dismiss him as #4 for sure either. Clemens 6 Cy Youngs and 4500+ Ks are tough to beat as well.
joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
MWB wrote:joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
A-rod, Pujols, and Bonds would all be hard to discount.
MWB wrote:columbia wrote:MWB wrote:Mike Piazza seems to exemplify exactly what is wrong with HoF voting. He's a no doubt HoFer. Yet there are some whispers about steroid use. No smoking gun, no admission, no first hand account, no investigation. But some decide there's a chance he did, so he's out.
That was his first time on the ballot....he'll get in.
Think he eventually will. It'll just be a lot longer than it should be.
MRandall25 wrote:MWB wrote:joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
A-rod, Pujols, and Bonds would all be hard to discount.
But, by overall, I think he's talking about achievements in the field as well as in the batter's box, so I don't see how it's not Griffey then everybody else. 10 Gold Gloves.
MWB wrote:MRandall25 wrote:MWB wrote:joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
A-rod, Pujols, and Bonds would all be hard to discount.
But, by overall, I think he's talking about achievements in the field as well as in the batter's box, so I don't see how it's not Griffey then everybody else. 10 Gold Gloves.
The guys I listed are all very good to great defensive players.
MWB wrote:joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
A-rod, Pujols, and Bonds would all be hard to discount.
ulf wrote:Did people watch bonds before 2000? Griffey didn't offer more on the bases.
joopen wrote:ulf wrote:Did people watch bonds before 2000? Griffey didn't offer more on the bases.
You mean after he took too manny roids to be agile?
ulf wrote:joopen wrote:ulf wrote:Did people watch bonds before 2000? Griffey didn't offer more on the bases.
You mean after he took too manny roids to be agile?
Nope, after he became the only member of the 400-400 club. And 500-500. And 600-500. And 700-500..
joopen wrote:ulf wrote:joopen wrote:ulf wrote:Did people watch bonds before 2000? Griffey didn't offer more on the bases.
You mean after he took too manny roids to be agile?
Nope, after he became the only member of the 400-400 club. And 500-500. And 600-500. And 700-500..
Only one number is going up in those stats and its not the stolen bases. If he weren't marred by steroids then I would say Bonds is the better player. He has too many black clouds
columbia wrote:The 600-500 is where I draw the line on credibility.
I'm guessing in the high 500s, if he hadn't juiced.
joopen wrote:MWB wrote:joopen wrote:Who was the best overall player of the last 20 years? I'll say without a doubt in my mind it was Griffey Jr.
Who was the best pitcher of the last 20 years? Thats a harder discussion.
A-rod, Pujols, and Bonds would all be hard to discount.
A-rod and Pujols may be as good if not better at bat but I feel Griffey offered more defensively and on the bases. Bonds is there all around but has a lot of clouds around him that Griffey does not
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