Beveridge wrote:Obviously, Bylsma drunk dialed Shero saying I'm going to start Lovejoy over Despres tomorrow, try and stop me.
Shero then went out and found a 5th round pick for lovejoy to stick it to the man.
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Beveridge wrote:Obviously, Bylsma drunk dialed Shero saying I'm going to start Lovejoy over Despres tomorrow, try and stop me.
Shero then went out and found a 5th round pick for lovejoy to stick it to the man.
JeffDFD wrote:So why did we recall Dylan Reese? Do we need to scratch 3 people every night? Wonder who will be sitting now.
JeffDFD wrote:Yes, but I thought we had 3 scratches last game...or was one Niskanen?
Beveridge wrote:Obviously, Bylsma drunk dialed Shero saying I'm going to start Lovejoy over Despres tomorrow, try and stop me.
Shero then went out and found a 5th round pick for lovejoy to stick it to the man.
Dan H wrote:For reference, judging by a quick glance at HockeyDB's draft stats from 10-15 years ago:
About 30% of 5th round picks ever play 1 game in the NHL.
About 15% of 5th round picks accrue at least 100 NHL games.
So, basically, there's roughly a 70% chance the Ducks "win" this trade in the long run, a 15% chance it's a push, and a 15% chance the Pens win it. But if the Pens draft well and hit that last 15%, they could "win" by a lot; a handful of really good players have come out of the later rounds of the draft. The Ducks can only possibly "win" by one solid 7th defenseman, unless Lovejoy really exceeds expectations there.
My initial thought was that Lovejoy's value is more than a 5th rounder, but after looking at these I think it's probably pretty fair for him.
Defence21 wrote:Dan H wrote:For reference, judging by a quick glance at HockeyDB's draft stats from 10-15 years ago:
About 30% of 5th round picks ever play 1 game in the NHL.
About 15% of 5th round picks accrue at least 100 NHL games.
So, basically, there's roughly a 70% chance the Ducks "win" this trade in the long run, a 15% chance it's a push, and a 15% chance the Pens win it. But if the Pens draft well and hit that last 15%, they could "win" by a lot; a handful of really good players have come out of the later rounds of the draft. The Ducks can only possibly "win" by one solid 7th defenseman, unless Lovejoy really exceeds expectations there.
My initial thought was that Lovejoy's value is more than a 5th rounder, but after looking at these I think it's probably pretty fair for him.
If you look at it purely as what Lovejoy does in relation to what the pick does, you're right, the odds are against the Penguins.
But let's look at two ways that can and should be debunked.
1. Lovejoy was undrafted. Shero turned an undrafted, 29-year old, healthy scratch player into a 5th round draft pick.
2. This pick may be traded. Let's say Shero trades this 5th round pick along with another pick or player and receives a quality return. The pick might actually have more value at the trade deadline to a regouping team than would a 29-year-old player with fewer than 100 games.
The way I look at the trade is that the Penguins turned an extra into an asset. Maybe they use the asset as is and draft a player -- maybe they trade the asset alone or as part of a package to improve the team. Either way, Shero turned a non-used player into something that can and will be used.
Shelly Anderson @pgshelly
Bylsma declined to give update on Letang, who left skate early, saying that all (besides Fleury starting) is game-time decision. #Penguins
Steve Dave wrote:So since the early playoff exit, Shero has made the following moves: (am I missing any, excluding wbs)
Vokoun - 2012 7th
Sutter - Staal
Dumoulin
#8 2012 (Pouliot)
Ruopp - Michalek
#81 2012 (Sundqvist)
Signs Niskanen to 2 yr. extension
Signs Crosby to 12 yr. extension
Signs Glass, 2yrs
Lets Sullivan, Asham, Park, Johnson walk
Loses Strait on waivers
Acquires Boychuk on waivers
2014 5th - Lovejoy
mikey287 wrote:Steve Dave wrote:So since the early playoff exit, Shero has made the following moves: (am I missing any, excluding wbs)
Vokoun - 2012 7th
Sutter - Staal
Dumoulin
#8 2012 (Pouliot)
Ruopp - Michalek
#81 2012 (Sundqvist)
Signs Niskanen to 2 yr. extension
Signs Crosby to 12 yr. extension
Signs Glass, 2yrs
Lets Sullivan, Asham, Park, Johnson walk
Loses Strait on waivers
Acquires Boychuk on waivers
2014 5th - Lovejoy
Not sure if they fall under the "excluding WBS" caveat, but traded Sneep for a conditional 7th and signed Jayson Megna out of college.
Dickie Dunn wrote:JeffDFD wrote:Yes, but I thought we had 3 scratches last game...or was one Niskanen?
Lovejoy, Jeffrey, Tangradi.
JeffDFD wrote:Dickie Dunn wrote:JeffDFD wrote:Yes, but I thought we had 3 scratches last game...or was one Niskanen?
Lovejoy, Jeffrey, Tangradi.
That makes sense then. I wonder how long we are going to scratch 2 forwards.
JeffDFD wrote:Dickie Dunn wrote:JeffDFD wrote:Yes, but I thought we had 3 scratches last game...or was one Niskanen?
Lovejoy, Jeffrey, Tangradi.
That makes sense then. I wonder how long we are going to scratch 2 forwards.
penny lane wrote:Shelly Anderson @pgshelly
Bylsma declined to give update on Letang, who left skate early, saying that all (besides Fleury starting) is game-time decision. #Penguinswhy dylan reese in pgh?
Geezer wrote:penny lane wrote:Shelly Anderson @pgshelly
Bylsma declined to give update on Letang, who left skate early, saying that all (besides Fleury starting) is game-time decision. #Penguinswhy dylan reese in pgh?
Letang with some sort of seemingly short term injury. He may miss tonight; game time decision.
JeffDFD wrote:I think they have made up their mind on Tangradi, though
Defence21 wrote:JeffDFD wrote:I think they have made up their mind on Tangradi, though
I don't know that they have. If so, why isn't he "on the block" or waived? I think they have an idea of where this is going, as we all do, but my guess is his door in Pittsburgh isn't fully closed at this point. That said, when Niskanen returns someone will have to go: Reese (if he isn't already back in the AHL) or Tangradi.
meow wrote:Defence21 wrote:JeffDFD wrote:I think they have made up their mind on Tangradi, though
I don't know that they have. If so, why isn't he "on the block" or waived? I think they have an idea of where this is going, as we all do, but my guess is his door in Pittsburgh isn't fully closed at this point. That said, when Niskanen returns someone will have to go: Reese (if he isn't already back in the AHL) or Tangradi.
How do you know he's not on the block?
meow wrote:Defence21 wrote:JeffDFD wrote:I think they have made up their mind on Tangradi, though
I don't know that they have. If so, why isn't he "on the block" or waived? I think they have an idea of where this is going, as we all do, but my guess is his door in Pittsburgh isn't fully closed at this point. That said, when Niskanen returns someone will have to go: Reese (if he isn't already back in the AHL) or Tangradi.
How do you know he's not on the block?
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