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pcm wrote:Who took Niskanen's place when he got injured? Who went from being everyone's favorite trading chip to becoming an integral part of this future team's D corp? You're trying to nitpick, but its just adding to the ever-increasing mass of irrelevant posts you've made this year.
Gaucho wrote:Lovejoy replaced Niskanen when he got injured
pcm wrote:Gaucho wrote:Lovejoy replaced Niskanen when he got injured
I suppose that Letang-Lovejoy pairing must have been so good defensively, I never noticed them.
columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
MRandall25 wrote:joopen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:Why do people think rookies/unproven players deserve playing time over players who have established themselves?
If the rookies want playing time, they have to earn it.
How did Ben Lovejoy establish himself as a player who needs playing time over anyone?
Because he was on the team prior to this year. He knows/knew the system, and had established a position on the 3rd pairing. He got a chance to show what he could do, and the rookies were given a chance to show they were better.
Really don't get why that's a hard concept to grasp.
columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
pcm wrote:Niskanen got injured. Despres took his spot in the top 4. Lovejoy dressed to fill out the bottom 6. Then got traded a few games later. Despres has played in Niskanen's spot in the top 4 the entire time Niskanen's been injured. With the increased role, he's showed much more to his game than ever before at the NHL level.
I'm really not sure what you're missing; but if you don't agree with that assessment, you're missing more than I can help you with.
meecrofilm wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
Dear god no. The guy who should sit for a game due to his play is now getting looks on the second line again? Yikes.
Mad City Mike wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
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MRandall25 wrote:There was virtually no camp. There was no preseason.
If you want to see if guys have improved, you have to play them. This isn't an issue of "not trusting rookies". It's an issue of having no preseason, and you're making it a bigger issue than it truly is.
RxBandit66 wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
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The philosophy on Planet Bylsma: if something is proven not to work, try it again.
joopen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:There was virtually no camp. There was no preseason.
If you want to see if guys have improved, you have to play them. This isn't an issue of "not trusting rookies". It's an issue of having no preseason, and you're making it a bigger issue than it truly is.
So:
vets = need playing time to see if they improved (not likely for 29 and 30 y/o)
rookies = need to earn time (somehow) but not at the expense of marginal 6/7 defenders
You make my point for me... In order to see if players improve or, for that matter, are capable then they have to play. That is an even bigger statement for rookies. They need to play to get better. Oh and the whole know the system thing is bunk since WB/S plays the same system. They do that so, ya know, players from the AHL can jump right in without having to learn a new system and new assignments.
I will agree that its not a huge issue but player development has been an issue for the Pens recently.
RxBandit66 wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
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meow wrote:RxBandit66 wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
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The philosophy on Planet Bylsma: if something is proven not to work, try it again.
Honestly, what other options does he have?
MRandall25 wrote:joopen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:There was virtually no camp. There was no preseason.
If you want to see if guys have improved, you have to play them. This isn't an issue of "not trusting rookies". It's an issue of having no preseason, and you're making it a bigger issue than it truly is.
So:
vets = need playing time to see if they improved (not likely for 29 and 30 y/o)
rookies = need to earn time (somehow) but not at the expense of marginal 6/7 defenders
You make my point for me... In order to see if players improve or, for that matter, are capable then they have to play. That is an even bigger statement for rookies. They need to play to get better. Oh and the whole know the system thing is bunk since WB/S plays the same system. They do that so, ya know, players from the AHL can jump right in without having to learn a new system and new assignments.
I will agree that its not a huge issue but player development has been an issue for the Pens recently.
You're still not looking at it in terms of this shortened season:
Vets = Play them normally
Rookies = need to beat out the vets
This would normally happen during camp or a preseason, but since there's no preseason, you have to play the vets over the rookies until the rookies prove they are more capable than the vets. Player evaluation necessitates you play everyone. They couldn't do it during the preseason.
And vets can't improve? Heard of Paul Martin? Hell, even Engelland and Orpik are playing much better than last year.
There was no preseason. Bylsma HAD to play both Lovejoy/Engelland AND the rookies in order to evaluate them because there was no time to actually evaluate them since, like I've said 1000 times, there was no preseason.
But there is 0 reason to just hand rookies playing time if they haven't earned it. We aren't the Blue Jackets. Our team isn't that bad where we need to consistently put rookies out there because the rest of the team sucks.
MRandall25 wrote:joopen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:There was virtually no camp. There was no preseason.
If you want to see if guys have improved, you have to play them. This isn't an issue of "not trusting rookies". It's an issue of having no preseason, and you're making it a bigger issue than it truly is.
So:
vets = need playing time to see if they improved (not likely for 29 and 30 y/o)
rookies = need to earn time (somehow) but not at the expense of marginal 6/7 defenders
You make my point for me... In order to see if players improve or, for that matter, are capable then they have to play. That is an even bigger statement for rookies. They need to play to get better. Oh and the whole know the system thing is bunk since WB/S plays the same system. They do that so, ya know, players from the AHL can jump right in without having to learn a new system and new assignments.
I will agree that its not a huge issue but player development has been an issue for the Pens recently.
You're still not looking at it in terms of this shortened season:
Vets = Play them normally
Rookies = need to beat out the vets
This would normally happen during camp or a preseason, but since there's no preseason, you have to play the vets over the rookies until the rookies prove they are more capable than the vets. Player evaluation necessitates you play everyone. They couldn't do it during the preseason.
And vets can't improve? Heard of Paul Martin? Hell, even Engelland and Orpik are playing much better than last year.
There was no preseason. Bylsma HAD to play both Lovejoy/Engelland AND the rookies in order to evaluate them because there was no time to actually evaluate them since, like I've said 1000 times, there was no preseason.
But there is 0 reason to just hand rookies playing time if they haven't earned it. We aren't the Blue Jackets. Our team isn't that bad where we need to consistently put rookies out there because the rest of the team sucks.
MRandall25 wrote:meow wrote:RxBandit66 wrote:Mad City Mike wrote:columbia wrote:@Dejan_Kovacevic: Seeing couple drills now with Kennedy on second line with Malkin, Neal. #Pens #TribHKY
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The philosophy on Planet Bylsma: if something is proven not to work, try it again.
Honestly, what other options does he have?
1. Dustin Jeffrey
2. Zach Boychuk
3. Tyler Kennedy
4. Take someone from a Crosby's line and send the problem to Sid.
5. Rinse, repeat?
meow wrote:Honestly, what other options does he have?
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