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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby legame on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:43 pm

The Twilight series is probably the only current huge franchise I can think of going out of its way to get artists to record new songs. I can think of Paramore, Death Cab for Cutie, and Muse off the top of my head releasing singles specifically for them.
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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby pittsoccer33 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:49 pm

canaan wrote: when you have guaranteed blockbusters in iron man, dark knight, ghost protocol, you dont need to grab the female audience because theyve already been captivated.


that makes sense, but then i wonder this - the movie studios own the record labels. this summer superman returns and iron man 3 are guaranteed hits. why not use the chance to promote one of their artists?
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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:11 pm

Don Simpson and Jerry Bruckheimer.

In the early 80s, they produced "Flashdance" and "Beverly Hills Cop", and wanted a new way to market their films to the teen demographic. (Remember, the concept of a 'summer blockbuster' was still only about 8 or 9 years old at this point.) They recognized an original soundtrack (OST) pumped full of uptempo rock (plus the obligatory ballad) was a way to set their films apart. Cool high-energy movies, cool high-energy music. Go.

"Flashdance" was also a big hit OST, as were "Saturday Night Fever" and "Grease" before them. But they were add-ons to the movie, incremental. Simpson-Bruckheimer conceived the OST as an integral piece of the marketing scheme.

pittsoccer33 wrote:i wonder if it has more to do with the music business or movie business.

I would say it is disproportionately due to the decline in the music industry.

Back in the day (when I was doing film/TV music licensing) it worked like this: There were five major labels, and about 6-10 big OSTs a year. There was an unwritten arrangement between the film and music companies so that OSTs were 'rotated' between labels. One year, a studio would have most of their OSTs released by Capitol, the next it would be BMG, etc. This was done even among the film studios that had sister companies in the music business (Warner Bros, Universal, Sony). The releasing label would usually get a plurality of tracks on the OST. Sometimes, usually on second-tier films, the label would negotiate with the studio to get their own artists on the OST in exchange for no (master) licensing fees for their use in the film. I seem to remember this was done at Capitol on "Blast From The Past"; Capitol was doing the OST and we gave them something like 14 or 15 needle drops - individual instances of source music in a film - and got 8 or 10 tracks on the OST. The total licensing fees we collected for that film was less than any one of them would normally have merited if our sister company wasn't releasing the OST.

Well...... CDs don't really sell that much anymore, and production budgets have gotten increasingly tight where music is concerned. Once the Simpson-Bruckheimer model had been recognized, EVERYONE started doing it. And it began to have less and less of an impact. In 1986, you could justify a film with what today would be close to $10 million budgets for music. It was a circular feedback loop, where ticket sales were measurably impacted by a strong OST. That's just not the case today, with so many other ways of marketing to consumers. And that $10 million today is more like $5 million (if you're very lucky), and the bulk of that might go to one or two extremely high-profile licenses.
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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby tifosi77 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:15 pm

Geez.... why do I always have the longest posts in these threads??

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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby viva la ben on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:18 pm

Kenny Loggins was the king of the movie soundtrack
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Re: You know what I miss? (movie music related)

Postby pittsoccer33 on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:16 pm

tifosi77 wrote:Geez.... why do I always have the longest posts in these threads??

:face:


im glad you do. id like to think im near as big a geek for the entertainment biz as you, but without as much experience in it.

i just think its kind of amazing that 10+ years ago, all summer long we wouldve heard songs from the soundtracks of avengers, dark knight rises, hunger games, battleship, and/or spiderman and mib3.

im a huge bruckheimer fan and i never really associated it with him but youre right. diane warren made a fortune off his films.
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