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How about some coaching instead? Preemptive coaching maybe? Say a superstar takes a stupid penalty way back in a meaningless game and you sit him. And when it happens again, you do so again. 71 or 87, does not matter. Gosh, wouldn't you like some accountability out there? So that the players would police themselves when it counts... This is really simple. But just one way of coaching. There are probably 20 thousand other little things an analytically-minded coach could come up to change the stupid way this team looses to likely playoff opponents.
Tico Rick wrote:GDR wrote:Bylsma: "We got too involved in the emotion of the game."
The Pens are becoming aware that other teams are aware that they can get rattled. That's a good thing.
Henry Hank wrote:The Pens need to do some praying that somehow the Flyers miss the playoffs because if they meet again, we're going to see a repeat of last spring. I actually thought that overall, the Pens have been fairly impressive this season but tonight just proves that they haven't made any progress since last spring. They still have no answer for the Flyers. No, coach, it wasn't just a couple bad weeks, and no you can't pin it all on Fleury. Until they figure out how to control themselves against the Flyers, and until they learn in general how to play with a lead, they are on their way to another early upset.
MRandall25 wrote:If you guys didn't see a change in the way the team played and handled themselves in the 3rd period (besides the Malkin penalty), I don't know what else to tell you.
columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
Henry Hank wrote:How about some coaching instead? Preemptive coaching maybe? Say a superstar takes a stupid penalty way back in a meaningless game and you sit him. And when it happens again, you do so again. 71 or 87, does not matter. Gosh, wouldn't you like some accountability out there? So that the players would police themselves when it counts... This is really simple. But just one way of coaching. There are probably 20 thousand other little things an analytically-minded coach could come up to change the stupid way this team looses to likely playoff opponents.
You could have written this same post in April. Actually, many people did. The Pens keep taking stupid, undisciplined penalties because Bylsma doesn't hold them accountable. Then they play the Flyers and they completely lose their heads because they have no practice in keeping themselves disciplined. It's a broken record from last season.
Again, the Pens only hope of going anywhere is to hope and pray that Philly misses the playoffs. My guess, they come up just short (again) for the division and face them (again) in the 4/5 match-up. And if tonight is any indication, they will again be humiliated because they are Philly's *****.
SolidSnake wrote:Henry Hank wrote:The Pens need to do some praying that somehow the Flyers miss the playoffs because if they meet again, we're going to see a repeat of last spring. I actually thought that overall, the Pens have been fairly impressive this season but tonight just proves that they haven't made any progress since last spring. They still have no answer for the Flyers. No, coach, it wasn't just a couple bad weeks, and no you can't pin it all on Fleury. Until they figure out how to control themselves against the Flyers, and until they learn in general how to play with a lead, they are on their way to another early upset.
Dead on.
columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
booboo wrote:MRandall25 wrote:If you guys didn't see a change in the way the team played and handled themselves in the 3rd period (besides the Malkin penalty), I don't know what else to tell you.
Since you've asked, please tell me why they changed the way they played and handled themselves when they were 2 goals up in the first period?
columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
shmenguin wrote:columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
the flyers baiting the pens into the nuthouse is a major component to the whole thing. let me know if they did that in game 1.
MRandall25 wrote:shmenguin wrote:columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
the flyers baiting the pens into the nuthouse is a major component to the whole thing. let me know if they did that in game 1.
Are you not encouraged that the Pens found a way out of the nuthouse in the 3rd, though?
GDR wrote:MRandall25 wrote:shmenguin wrote:columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
the flyers baiting the pens into the nuthouse is a major component to the whole thing. let me know if they did that in game 1.
Are you not encouraged that the Pens found a way out of the nuthouse in the 3rd, though?
Glass also took a 4 minute penalty aside from Malkin's penalty. While it wasn't exactly "undisciplined" a 4 minute penalty is a 4 minute penalty.
farnham16 wrote:They aren't a great team at all.
shmenguin wrote:columbia wrote:So tonight was a confirmation of last years playoffs, but game 1 against the Flyers was an aberration?
That's what I'm reading from this thread.
the flyers baiting the pens into the nuthouse is a major component to the whole thing. let me know if they did that in game 1.
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:1. I dont really get the whole "we let them get under our skin" thing. Other than the Malkin penalty when the game was starting to tilt it wasnt really us losing our composure.
2. We got back into the game because of penalites which is fine, we have skill and teams should pay for that. But (and please correct if I am wrong, I dont have the stats and could be wrong) but does James Neal actually play even strength?
3. We blame the officials for the goals (I think goal 1 was fine, I think goal 4 wasnt) and we can say Matty Ice tipped the puck in and thats luck. But all 3 goals happened because the Flyers attack and swarm. Goal 3, if a Flyer wasnt charging towards the net we dont have the need to HAVE to tip it, if he isnt there its an easy goal. Look at our ES or regular PP goals: D shot from the point, D shot from the point off the boards, D shot from the point long rebound to TK, Sutter behind the net when a Flyer takes the wrong the side.
We simply dont get dirty, ever. If it wasnt for random high sticks and a moronic play by Talbot the game gets way out of hand.
4. HCDB. This is more than a trend now. The Pens switch up styles to start games and it throws the Flyers off. Once they adjust we lose our game. I am not a coach, but it seems to me that slight adjustments to style and breakouts are better served than altering your style. The Flyers figure it out after 10 minutes, even tonight with their behind the net game plan. I busted out laughing when he was interviewed in I think the 2nd period and was asked about it, he stammered, the announcers laughed and were saying he almost gave away his secret.
I was laughing because the entire world figured that out about 5 minutes into the game. Did HCDB think he was giving something away?
MRandall25 wrote:booboo wrote:MRandall25 wrote:If you guys didn't see a change in the way the team played and handled themselves in the 3rd period (besides the Malkin penalty), I don't know what else to tell you.
Since you've asked, please tell me why they changed the way they played and handled themselves when they were 2 goals up in the first period?
I didn't ask, but I'll bite.
They didn't change the way they played. They let the Flyers get to them. We pretty much controlled the play for at least 65-75 percent of the game. The only difference was, they started playing down to the Flyers.
BUT.
Something was said in the locker room in between the 2nd and 3rd periods, because the team in the 3rd was completely different mentally than the team in the 1st. Aside from the Malkin penalty, they were much, much more composed, and look at the result. Came back from a 2 goal deficit.
I'd say that's encouraging, but I'm also not a pessimist.
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