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Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:07 pm

What do you think Malkin's avg. cap hit will be for his next contract? 8.7? Lower/Higher?
Considering Crosby has avgeraged 1.41 points per game (4th All-Time) in his career to Malkin's 1.23 along with Crosby's superior faceoff abilities, do you think Malkin's cap hit should equal Crosby's?
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby columbia on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:11 pm

If having the same cap hit as Crosby makes him happy and a Penguin for life, you do it.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby jwest21 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:12 pm

columbia wrote:If having the same cap hit as Crosby makes him happy and a Penguin for life, you do it.

agreed
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Gaucho on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:15 pm

Pretty much.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Bioshock on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:18 pm

columbia wrote:If having the same cap hit as Crosby makes him happy and a Penguin for life, you do it.


He will have roughly the same cap hit again with his next contract. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he did it again for 8.7 million per year.

8.7 million per season for 8 years. 69.6 Million.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby scals37 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:21 pm

They still have the same agent right? Can't see why they wouldn't push for the same cap hit as Sid
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:34 pm

scals37 wrote:They still have the same agent right? Can't see why they wouldn't push for the same cap hit as Sid


Because Sid is better?
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Guinness on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:36 pm

Crosby is a discount at 8.7. The difference between the two is not so great as to make it a point of contention.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby skullman80 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:37 pm

Guinness wrote:Crosby is a discount at 8.7. The difference between the two is not so great as to make it a point of contention.


This.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:42 pm

skullman80 wrote:
Guinness wrote:Crosby is a discount at 8.7. The difference between the two is not so great as to make it a point of contention.


This.


Would you pay Selanne in his prime the same as Jagr in his prime if both played on the same team?
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Mongoose87 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:48 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
skullman80 wrote:
Guinness wrote:Crosby is a discount at 8.7. The difference between the two is not so great as to make it a point of contention.


This.


Would you pay Selanne in his prime the same as Jagr in his prime if both played on the same team?

Gladly.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:51 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
skullman80 wrote:
Guinness wrote:Crosby is a discount at 8.7. The difference between the two is not so great as to make it a point of contention.


This.


Would you pay Selanne in his prime the same as Jagr in his prime if both played on the same team?

Both on a team with lemieux? Id pay selanne more.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Gaucho on Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:53 pm

I love Teemu, but why would you pay him more than Jagr?
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:13 pm

Gaucho wrote:I love Teemu, but why would you pay him more than Jagr?


I stated the same, not more. Jagr has outperformed Selanne on par with Crosby outperforming Malkin...
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:14 pm

Jagr (1363 GP, 1666 Pts, 1.222avg)
Selanne (1357 GP, 1422 Pts, 1.048avg)
Dif (0.174) (Jagr has 2 more goals)

Crosby (453 GP, 637 Pts, 1.406avg)
Malkin (445 GP, 548 Pts, 1.232avg)
Dif (0.175) (Crosby has 20 more goals)
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Gaucho on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:22 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
Gaucho wrote:I love Teemu, but why would you pay him more than Jagr?


I stated the same, not more. Jagr has outperformed Selanne on par with Crosby outperforming Malkin...


Idoit said more.

I do think that Jagr > Selanne and Crosby > Malkin. But if I were Geno's agent I'd certainly point to the amount of hardware my client has piled up so far.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Pitts on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:49 pm

Steve Dave wrote:Would you pay Selanne in his prime the same as Jagr in his prime if both played on the same team?

This isn't quite an apt comparison. IMO, Jagr was head and shoulders above Selanne throughout the 1990's. Yes, Selanne produced points when he was healthy, but I don't think he was ever a real threat to take the scoring title from Jagr. Whereas, in any given season, Crosby and Malkin can be battling for that title.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby no name on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:52 pm

Genos deal can only be 8 years long and you won't have to worry about the varience since Geno will be in his prime all through the deal so as you can imagine his cap hit will be higher than Sids. I am sure Sid doesn't care.

8 years 9.5 cap hit. 76 million.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:58 pm

Sorry to Geno, but if you sign him to a cap hit higher than 8.7 mil, or whatever Crosby will be making, you're really handcuffing the team cap-wise.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:14 pm

Pitts wrote:
Steve Dave wrote:Would you pay Selanne in his prime the same as Jagr in his prime if both played on the same team?

This isn't quite an apt comparison. IMO, Jagr was head and shoulders above Selanne throughout the 1990's. Yes, Selanne produced points when he was healthy, but I don't think he was ever a real threat to take the scoring title from Jagr. Whereas, in any given season, Crosby and Malkin can be battling for that title.


This is a valid point except most teams key on Crosby and Malkin only has to go up against second pairings. Also, you could argue Malkin has had better linemates (Malone, Sykora, Neal) vs (Armstrong, Recchi, Dupuis).
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby tfrizz on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:27 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Sorry to Geno, but if you sign him to a cap hit higher than 8.7 mil, or whatever Crosby will be making, you're really handcuffing the team cap-wise.


Yup, especially with the cap going back down to $64.3M next season and possibly staying there for a few years until league revenues get back up to speed. Even an $8.7M cap hit is going to create problems with Sutter, Orpik, Letang, Niskanen, Despres, and Engelland all hitting free agency at the same time.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Steve Dave on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:33 pm

Since Malkin wears 71, he should go with a 7.1 cap hit. Then Shero could bring his buddy from Toronto over as a long term fix.

j/k
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby shmenguin on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:35 pm

Sid took 8.7 because it was a circumvention deal. He made out well in that regard. They can't offer Geno the same term or upfront money so he may be insistent on a higher cap hit.
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby KG on Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:47 pm

If this is a Selanne/Jagr discussion. I'd take Jagr in his prime over Selanne in his prime.... Relatively easily at that...
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Re: Malkin's next contract

Postby Kaizer on Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:38 pm

Steve Dave wrote:
scals37 wrote:They still have the same agent right? Can't see why they wouldn't push for the same cap hit as Sid


Because Sid is better?


"sorry geno, even though you could get more somewhere else, we've decided to insult you by offering less than your current semi-bargain contract. please accept because we all know crosby is more valuable."
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