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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:26 pm

jprolley wrote:really hated it when bylsma didn't call his timeout with 1:25 left with a defensive zone faceoff after that bad shift by the top line. instead, he puts out kennedy dupuis and sutter and promptly turn it over after crossing the blue line. game over.


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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby columbia on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:27 pm

penny lane wrote:
columbia wrote:Despres:
Where potential incorrectly equals current reality for some.


has robert bortuzzo out played him? no, I don't think so. seriously.
Despres, if allowed to join the varsity, has the shot to the net.


Of course Bortuzzo hasn't, but that's not the point.

Promising rookies still have a high aptitude to suck and some folks want to ignore that.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby farnham16 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:29 pm

Henry Hank wrote:
dixonyy18 wrote:This team is really in a no win situation with the fans. They are atop the eastern conference for almost half a year, lose a bad game to Philly (a rivalry game that is always fought tough, goes for every sport) or they win 3-4 in a row and then have a bad game and instantly are going no where. We are one of the cup contenders and are missing one of the best players in the game, anyone that says we're going no where because of a bad game is just ridiculous.


So you're saying it's just one game? :face:

They're not going anywhere because they give up too many goals. They'll have some regular season success playing Capitals hockey but they're going to get embarrassed in the playoffs again. The only thing that will change that if somehow they replace Bylsma or somehow Shero makes some miracle moves to find the magic mix of players. They're a mess of a team that can win by outscoring teams because few teams can typically keep up with their offense.


You can bring in whoever you want to play better defense, but when the system you play isn't optimal for playing great defense, then it won't matter. Bylsma wants this team to play a very up tempo offensive game where the defense plays aggressive all over the ice.

Its the system.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby penny lane on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:30 pm

grizzled vets still carry that aptitude for crappy play...

another quiet evening by brandon sutter.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby The U on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:30 pm

We are 12th in the league in hits. During the two Cup runs we were top 5. Getting further and further away from grinding, cycling, and being in your face/hard to play against. Hard to imagine when so many of our forwards are "checkers/grinders" on paper.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby CERV96 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:31 pm

Gaucho wrote:Wait, Koputzky is NOT the 1st sta? :shock:


Florida media is too busy covering basketball or Dolphins off season.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby dixonyy18 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:31 pm

Henry Hank wrote:
dixonyy18 wrote:This team is really in a no win situation with the fans. They are atop the eastern conference for almost half a year, lose a bad game to Philly (a rivalry game that is always fought tough, goes for every sport) or they win 3-4 in a row and then have a bad game and instantly are going no where. We are one of the cup contenders and are missing one of the best players in the game, anyone that says we're going no where because of a bad game is just ridiculous.


So you're saying it's just one game? :face:

They're not going anywhere because they give up too many goals. They'll have some regular season success playing Capitals hockey but they're going to get embarrassed in the playoffs again. The only thing that will change that if somehow they replace Bylsma or somehow Shero makes some miracle moves to find the magic mix of players. They're a mess of a team that can win by outscoring teams because few teams can typically keep up with their offense.


Exactly my point, ridiculous. They give up 2.5 goals a game, ranking 12. You mean this team can't score 3 goals? You must watch only the losses because when they win 3 or 4-1or 2 they look pretty good. But obviously they need to go undefeated to be a good team now.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby CERV96 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:32 pm

At least the Rags lost
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby meecrofilm on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:34 pm

penny lane wrote:
columbia wrote:Despres:
Where potential incorrectly equals current reality for some.


has robert bortuzzo out played him? no, I don't think so. seriously.
Despres, if allowed to join the varsity, has the shot to the net.


The problem is it's ALWAYS going to be either Despres for Bortuzzo, and vice versa. When a guy like Niskanen has a crap game tonight, will he sit for Despres, who is a perfectly viable option alongside Letang? Of course not. When he comes back in, it'll be for Bort, whom I actually thought was one of our best D-man tonight.

There's just no accountability, which is why you see the Pens taking so many undisciplined penalties.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby pcm on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:35 pm

The U wrote:We are 12th in the league in hits. During the two Cup runs we were top 5. Getting further and further away from grinding, cycling, and being in your face/hard to play against. Hard to imagine when so many of our forwards are "checkers/grinders" on paper.


This is the biggest reason we struggle against teams that sit back and "clog the neutral zone." Need to be able to dump the puck and grind it out.

But I was impressed by the Pens attempt at a comeback, likewise with their effort in the last minute of play. Haven't seen much of that since 2009. Without that burning desire, the Pens will go nowhere. Nice to see a glimmer of it here and in the Philly game. But obviously, still need to work out some kinks...
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby shmenguin on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:36 pm

Didn't know our PK was so meh, statistically

I wonder if any of those 17th round picks we got for michalek know how to block shots.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Lt. Dish on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:36 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:
Lt. Dish wrote:I know you can't win the all, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to bed annoyed as hell.

See ya, folks.


Again, it's not THAT we lost, it's HOW we lost


I'm with you, Mr. Colby. That's why I'm annoyed.

Hey...totally off-topic: How's the new job been going?
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Lt. Dish on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:37 pm

CERV96 wrote:At least the Rags lost



We think the Pens have problems....
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby jprolley on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:38 pm

shmenguin wrote:Didn't know our PK was so meh, statistically

I wonder if any of those 17th round picks we got for michalek know how to block shots.


or clear the puck when its on their stick. 2 panthers goals came right after pathetic clearing attempts. (letang, dupuis)
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby pcm on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:39 pm

Let the frustration burn. It will build into a will to succeed against any odds, to never be defeated. For every time you are knocked back down, you stand up again and fight. Fight till the bitter end.

:)
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Mr. Colby on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:40 pm

Lt. Dish wrote:
Mr. Colby wrote:
Lt. Dish wrote:I know you can't win the all, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to bed annoyed as hell.

See ya, folks.


Again, it's not THAT we lost, it's HOW we lost


I'm with you, Mr. Colby. That's why I'm annoyed.

Hey...totally off-topic: How's the new job been going?


It's been great actually... really busy though, but I'm happy to say I don't dread getting up and going... I'm the kind of person that gets really invested in whatever it is that I'm doing though so that helps a lot.

Thanks for asking Dish!
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby shmenguin on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:40 pm

jprolley wrote:
shmenguin wrote:Didn't know our PK was so meh, statistically

I wonder if any of those 17th round picks we got for michalek know how to block shots.


or clear the puck when its on their stick. 2 panthers goals came right after pathetic clearing attempts. (letang, dupuis)


I wasn't sure about shero's succession plan for losing staal and MM on the PK when the trades happened.

Still not sure
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby thepittman on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:42 pm

HCDB sounds like someone shot his dog
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Orlando Penguin on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:42 pm

Love all the armchair coaches on here thinking they have the answer and that it's ALWAYS Bylsma's fault. OK, Einsteins, who do you want to replace him? Hmmmmmm?? As I tried to contend til I was blue in the face during the Flyers game, you can't just bench players who take dumb penalties. If you did, we'd all be howling about why Kunitz or Neal or Letang or whoever was a healthy scratch and the Pens went on to lose. The accountability has to come from the players themselves. At some point, the C has to step up and curse some people out for being stupid. That parade to the penalty box tonight was embarrassing. But...as we all seem to know, it's Bylsma's fault :eyeroll:

And someone had better get Vokoun a slumpbuster....or some swim fins. He's fighting it right now and his butt is on the ice more than a 4-year-old learning to skate for the first time.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby The U on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:43 pm

shmenguin wrote:Didn't know our PK was so meh, statistically

I wonder if any of those 17th round picks we got for michalek know how to block shots.


This is why I question the value of having a PK specialist (Adams) dress every night. Look what happened last postseason. Not only is the PK not working but you are throwing away that spot on linev4 since he has no value 5-on-5. The 4th line has actually been solid this year but come playoff time you could upgrade there with some size/speed.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby eww7633 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:44 pm

The U wrote:We are 12th in the league in hits. During the two Cup runs we were top 5. Getting further and further away from grinding, cycling, and being in your face/hard to play against. Hard to imagine when so many of our forwards are "checkers/grinders" on paper.


Agreed. I'm not sure what Tanner Glass was supposed to be, and I guess he isn't horrible, but I'm just not that impressed with him. Give me old Matt Cooke I guess. I'm not even sure what I'm writing as this point.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:47 pm

dixonyy18 wrote:This team is really in a no win situation with the fans. They are atop the eastern conference for almost half a year, lose a bad game to Philly (a rivalry game that is always fought tough, goes for every sport) or they win 3-4 in a row and then have a bad game and instantly are going no where. We are one of the cup contenders and are missing one of the best players in the game, anyone that says we're going no where because of a bad game is just ridiculous.


I kind of disagree. We win a lot of games with skill, like Neal with a sick shot from the slot. But at the same time we have last year MVP and a top 3 goal scorer on our second line and they can't do squat even strength, in fact they have been bad.

And our defense, overall issues which cost us in the playoffs last year are still there, including not getting what we need from role players.

I think the fans this year are actually smart and see the writing on the wall. Stats and wins are nice but this team as constructed probably can't win the cup and lays some stinkers of games far to often. It's no different than fans getting overly excited about Despres when he hasn't been a very responsible player and good in his own end or away front the puck.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby BurghThing on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:49 pm

The only decent 5 on 5 player on our 4th line is Vitale, and Disco won't even dress him every night.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby Henry Hank on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:53 pm

dixonyy18 wrote:
Henry Hank wrote:
dixonyy18 wrote:This team is really in a no win situation with the fans. They are atop the eastern conference for almost half a year, lose a bad game to Philly (a rivalry game that is always fought tough, goes for every sport) or they win 3-4 in a row and then have a bad game and instantly are going no where. We are one of the cup contenders and are missing one of the best players in the game, anyone that says we're going no where because of a bad game is just ridiculous.


So you're saying it's just one game? :face:

They're not going anywhere because they give up too many goals. They'll have some regular season success playing Capitals hockey but they're going to get embarrassed in the playoffs again. The only thing that will change that if somehow they replace Bylsma or somehow Shero makes some miracle moves to find the magic mix of players. They're a mess of a team that can win by outscoring teams because few teams can typically keep up with their offense.


Exactly my point, ridiculous. They give up 2.5 goals a game, ranking 12. You mean this team can't score 3 goals? You must watch only the losses because when they win 3 or 4-1or 2 they look pretty good. But obviously they need to go undefeated to be a good team now.


They aren't 12th in GAA. They came into this one 13th, now are at least 15th. They were not bad in that department before the Philly game but they are unraveling. I am not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Since that debacle they had an ugly 5-3 win over Tampa and now an ugly 6-4 loss to Florida. They're falling right back into what killed them late last season.

I'm a fan that wants more than regular season success. One playoff series victory in the last three years isn't good enough. Don't care if they're still leading the division right now. They're fallen right back to where they were last spring against Philly. They've shown no ability to correct their problems 20 games into this season.

I said earlier in the thread, I don't even care that they lost to Florida. It's the way they're losing, or even winning. I didn't feel great about that win against Tampa. Until they show consistent ability to prevent goals, I have no faith in this team.
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Re: Official GDT Pens vs FLA 2/26/13

Postby MRandall25 on Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:53 pm

Why do we have to win the Cup every year?
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