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Tim Thomasen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:I'd say part of the problem is that, while we do need to do something about the personnel as it currently stands (as mentioned above), there's not much out there that fits what we need and is a reasonable price.
You have to weigh the costs and benefits. Even if a guy costs a second rounder and a roster player (which I believe is what Hal Gill cost last year, just for argument's sake), are we in a position organizational-wise to give up a roster player to fill a need? Sure, if it'll cost a guy we're currently scratching (this is not counting Despres, who is a case by himself), go for it. But if it's one of the players who either is or will be a contributor in some way come playoff time, would you do it?
It depends on the deal. Alot of people here would because they believe that since the team is in a win now mode that we need to think about whats good for us now instead of a few years down the road.
MRandall25 wrote:Tim Thomasen wrote:MRandall25 wrote:I'd say part of the problem is that, while we do need to do something about the personnel as it currently stands (as mentioned above), there's not much out there that fits what we need and is a reasonable price.
You have to weigh the costs and benefits. Even if a guy costs a second rounder and a roster player (which I believe is what Hal Gill cost last year, just for argument's sake), are we in a position organizational-wise to give up a roster player to fill a need? Sure, if it'll cost a guy we're currently scratching (this is not counting Despres, who is a case by himself), go for it. But if it's one of the players who either is or will be a contributor in some way come playoff time, would you do it?
It depends on the deal. Alot of people here would because they believe that since the team is in a win now mode that we need to think about whats good for us now instead of a few years down the road.
That's why I said "Someone who is or will be a contributor come playoff time" (meaning someone who has proven to be key in the playoffs and is performing now or someone who has proven to be a performer, but isn't up to snuff yet).
I mean, I might as well say I had TK in mind. You need high energy guys like that in the playoffs. If you trade him for a d-man, who do you replace him with? Jeffrey? Boychuk? Call-up from WBS? Make another trade and lose draft picks (which then will have the fans questioning why they don't have any depth because they miss out on possibly drafting a forward)?
columbia wrote:I understand the instinct to blame it on coaching - hey it worked the last time! - but also feel that it involves some seriously willful naïveté about the gentlemen on the ice. Shero constructed this group of players and it's his responsibility to make some real changes before early April. As constructed, this team is going nowhere.
DontToewsMeBro wrote:So now that our PK sucks, can we agree that Adams is a waste of a sweater? A lot of the problem is a lack of leadership, toughness, and grit. I think our problems start there.
Mr. Colby wrote:I wonder where Kay Whitmore works right now
mikey287 wrote:Mr. Colby wrote:I wonder where Kay Whitmore works right now
He was a goalie coach for a bit. Then he was briefly on NHL Network. Now he works with the NHL in some capacity, I'm just not positive as to what...
Lt. Dish wrote:Random thoughts:
The season is so short...
So, personally, I'm not on the Fire Bylsma train. I think that would derail a short season. I have as much idea as anyone what really goes on in the locker room as anyone (read: none), but I get the sense that the players do want to play well for him. From a management performance perspective, the players, imo, need stability to work through their execution issues. I really think it's mental, and it's like they think they're too talented to play simple; they're drunk on talent and need to sober up and get back to focusing and committing one shift at a time. They need an anchor, not a shakeup. I'm not saying coddle them; this isn't t-ball. I'd like to bring Fitzgerald back around the players in some capacity, even if it's strategy sessions. Certainly, I don't want to oversimplify things, but it seems to me that the team hasn't been the same since he left the bench.
But the season is still long with miles to go until playoff time...
So, whether a season is 82 games or 40, there are still going to be ebbs and flows. Maybe we're in an ebb. Sure, I'm concerned with some chronic issues we're all seeing, but it's not like the issues aren't fixable. This isn't a 24-manure roster. Shero will do what he can on his end to try to improve the team; the question is whether he'll find a tango partner.
I don't wear rose-colored glasses. I actually wear bifocals, and I'm just trying to keep perspective in both short and long terms. Of course, my view on things can get warped, but that's the Stoli.
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:Lt. Dish wrote:Random thoughts:
The season is so short...
So, personally, I'm not on the Fire Bylsma train. I think that would derail a short season. I have as much idea as anyone what really goes on in the locker room as anyone (read: none), but I get the sense that the players do want to play well for him. From a management performance perspective, the players, imo, need stability to work through their execution issues. I really think it's mental, and it's like they think they're too talented to play simple; they're drunk on talent and need to sober up and get back to focusing and committing one shift at a time. They need an anchor, not a shakeup. I'm not saying coddle them; this isn't t-ball. I'd like to bring Fitzgerald back around the players in some capacity, even if it's strategy sessions. Certainly, I don't want to oversimplify things, but it seems to me that the team hasn't been the same since he left the bench.
But the season is still long with miles to go until playoff time...
So, whether a season is 82 games or 40, there are still going to be ebbs and flows. Maybe we're in an ebb. Sure, I'm concerned with some chronic issues we're all seeing, but it's not like the issues aren't fixable. This isn't a 24-manure roster. Shero will do what he can on his end to try to improve the team; the question is whether he'll find a tango partner.
I don't wear rose-colored glasses. I actually wear bifocals, and I'm just trying to keep perspective in both short and long terms. Of course, my view on things can get warped, but that's the Stoli.
No, they are all fair points. It's just most of domt see this as an ebb and flo, it's been awhile now. Fans tend to look at last season and point to things like the winning streak (which was surrounded by losing streaks) as some sort of validation that we can do it. Or when we win two in a row this season.
The bottom line is our troubles that were obvious last season are still there with a less talented roster. I said from the summer people will really notice Staals gone when we need a 2nd line center for a few games. Bennett Sutter Dupuis is about the worst 2nd line in the league.
We have high end talent to inflate some stats (Neal, Dupuis, even our PP% which seems black and white but we have way too may awful pp's) and get us some wins. But same problems, worse roster I'm ok with being skeptical at this point.
Pens on the grudge match tour.....good luck against MT in montreal saturday - you're gonna need it. Habs may be most disciplined well coached team in the league this year with awesome goaltending.
Pitt87 wrote:Henry Hank wrote:"For whatever reason, we couldn't get to our game."
"For whatever reason, we got outworked."
"For whatever reason, we weren't executing tonight."
For whatever reason, it's really getting tiresome following this team.
I think it's karma for ripping on the Caps so much. Little did I know the Pens were on their way to becoming that team. Just sucks, man.
As of tonight:
#1 in our division. #2 in the conference. #2 in GF (to TB, who has won 9 games...). #3 in diff. Oh, and our captain is the NHL's leading scorer.... well, tied. Still
I don't think its as bad as all that.
TheHammer24 wrote:I hate when people troll HH (and you're not, Tim), but I wonder if he's wrong here. Is it possible that a byproduct of a super talented team are moments of utter abandonment of sound, systematic hockey?
TheHammer24 wrote:Buy as long as they remain a top 2 team in the East, should we be that concerned?
wondermoose wrote:I'm starting to believe that "player's coaches" come with a shelf life, unfortunately. I really hope DB finds a way to... convince the team to bring their A-game every night, I do, but these past couple seasons have shown a very troubling trend; one game they're unstoppable, others it's like the players don't know what to do. My personal opinion goes back to what did Therrien in: the constant line shuffling that produces mass confusion on the ice. I'm sorry, but you don't get good results in the NHL these days by throwing out whatever three forwards and defensive pair onto the ice. It's a worrisome trend.
Gaucho wrote:"The sign of a good team, or the sign of a good player, is, if you make a mistake once, you don't make the same mistake again," Orpik said.
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Pitt87 wrote:Henry Hank wrote:"For whatever reason, we couldn't get to our game."
"For whatever reason, we got outworked."
"For whatever reason, we weren't executing tonight."
For whatever reason, it's really getting tiresome following this team.
I think it's karma for ripping on the Caps so much. Little did I know the Pens were on their way to becoming that team. Just sucks, man.
As of tonight:
#1 in our division. #2 in the conference. #2 in GF (to TB, who has won 9 games...). #3 in diff. Oh, and our captain is the NHL's leading scorer.... well, tied. Still
I don't think its as bad as all that.
Idoit40fans wrote:Pitt87 wrote:Henry Hank wrote:"For whatever reason, we couldn't get to our game."
"For whatever reason, we got outworked."
"For whatever reason, we weren't executing tonight."
For whatever reason, it's really getting tiresome following this team.
I think it's karma for ripping on the Caps so much. Little did I know the Pens were on their way to becoming that team. Just sucks, man.
As of tonight:
#1 in our division. #2 in the conference. #2 in GF (to TB, who has won 9 games...). #3 in diff. Oh, and our captain is the NHL's leading scorer.... well, tied. Still
I don't think its as bad as all that.
This is the most hilarious argument i've ever seen for a team not being like the Capitals. I agree 100% with HH.
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