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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby JoseCuervo on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:40 am

How can you not pay this guy?

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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Rocco on Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:55 am

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

Flacco's playoff run covered up what was a pretty mediocre season. 17th in DYAR and DVOA, 25th in QBR.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:03 pm

Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Sounds like KtK is trying too hard to not be a yinzer.


While kenny the kangroo will openly admit to being a self loathing yinzer in many cases, this is not one of them.

This is a case of stiller nation coming down with a common symptoms of yinzer-itis: Being stuck in the past and oblivious of the big picture.

Stiller nation still has notion that flacco is an overgrown oofus doofus that routinely gets terrorized by james harrison and troy polamalu. that was true five years ago, but its not the case now.

The big picture is that when a quarterback wins a super bowl, they get paid. Eli got paid, Rodgers got paid (although not $100 million), Ben got paid. Brees got paid. Now flacco is getting paid.

like it or not, the ravens have one the afc north each of the past two seasons. like it or not, flacco has a 10-4 record in the playoffs. like it or not, he was the super bowl mvp. like it or not, he was dominant in the playoffs and beat tom brady and peyton manning. and thats why he got paid.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby JS© on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:04 pm

stats that stick out for Flacco:

87.7 QB rating, 21st in the league
59.7 completion%, 22nd in the league
238.6 yards per game, 16th in the league
3817 passing yards, 14th in the league
7.2 passing yards per attempt, 16th in the league
22 TDs, T-15th with Matt Schaub and future Hall Of Famer Carson Palmer

Notice a trend? A lot of stats from the middle of the pack or lower. The only noticeable stat where he is in the top is sacks, which his 35 sacks puts him tied for 8th with Ryan Tannehill and Sam Bradford.

If the Ravens want to tie up $20m a year until 2018, then that's their call. Personally I think it's a foolish move, but as a Steelers fan I don't mind seeing them wrap up that money into a second-rate QB. He's got paid for a great playoff run, nothing more.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby shmenguin on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:06 pm

He was also a pansy throughout most of the season. He was amongst the league leaders in wetting himself when about to be sacked. Though this is another area where he improved in the playoffs at least.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby JS© on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:08 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:Sounds like KtK is trying too hard to not be a yinzer.


While kenny the kangroo will openly admit to being a self loathing yinzer in many cases, this is not one of them.

This is a case of stiller nation coming down with a common symptoms of yinzer-itis: Being stuck in the past and oblivious of the big picture.

Stiller nation still has notion that flacco is an overgrown oofus doofus that routinely gets terrorized by james harrison and troy polamalu. that was true five years ago, but its not the case now.

The big picture is that when a quarterback wins a super bowl, they get paid. Eli got paid, Rodgers got paid (although not $100 million), Ben got paid. Brees got paid. Now flacco is getting paid.

like it or not, the ravens have one the afc north each of the past two seasons. like it or not, flacco has a 10-4 record in the playoffs. like it or not, he was the super bowl mvp. like it or not, he was dominant in the playoffs and beat tom brady and peyton manning. and thats why he got paid.


Kenny The Kangaroo is correct in saying that he got paid for his playoff run and playoff history. But he is a mediocre (yes, mediocre) QB for 17 weeks of the regular season.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby tfrizz on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:11 pm

JS© wrote:stats that stick out for Flacco:

87.7 QB rating, 21st in the league
59.7 completion%, 22nd in the league
238.6 yards per game, 16th in the league
3817 passing yards, 14th in the league
7.2 passing yards per attempt, 16th in the league
22 TDs, T-15th with Matt Schaub and future Hall Of Famer Carson Palmer

Notice a trend? A lot of stats from the middle of the pack or lower. The only noticeable stat where he is in the top is sacks, which his 35 sacks puts him tied for 8th with Ryan Tannehill and Sam Bradford.

If the Ravens want to tie up $20m a year until 2018, then that's their call. Personally I think it's a foolish move, but as a Steelers fan I don't mind seeing them wrap up that money into a second-rate QB. He's got paid for a great playoff run, nothing more.


Could be worse. They could have Tony Romo at a cap hit of just under $19-million :(
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:40 pm

bringing up stats to show that flacco doesnt "deserve" the money is also foolish, because quite frankly, stiller fans have been whining about how the media has slighted big ben because ben does not put up gaudy stats.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Rocco on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:49 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:bringing up stats to show that flacco doesnt "deserve" the money is also foolish, because quite frankly, stiller fans have been whining about how the media has slighted big ben because ben does not put up gaudy stats.


Young BRoeth didn't put up huge total stats because he didn't throw a ton but was efficient when he threw. His per-throw numbers would look great but he didn't throw enough to measure up with the mad bombers. Flacco this year was 14th in attempts. Last year he was 10th. BRoeth threw for more yards than Flacco the last two years on fewer attempts.

If we can't use stats to evaluate a player, what can we use? Their unibrow?
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby shmenguin on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:51 pm

Stats are only good when they support your argument. Gotcha.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Pavel Bure on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:54 pm

JS© wrote:stats that stick out for Flacco:

87.7 QB rating, 21st in the league
59.7 completion%, 22nd in the league
238.6 yards per game, 16th in the league
3817 passing yards, 14th in the league
7.2 passing yards per attempt, 16th in the league
22 TDs, T-15th with Matt Schaub and future Hall Of Famer Carson Palmer

Notice a trend? A lot of stats from the middle of the pack or lower. The only noticeable stat where he is in the top is sacks, which his 35 sacks puts him tied for 8th with Ryan Tannehill and Sam Bradford.

If the Ravens want to tie up $20m a year until 2018, then that's their call. Personally I think it's a foolish move, but as a Steelers fan I don't mind seeing them wrap up that money into a second-rate QB. He's got paid for a great playoff run, nothing more.

You forgot that he's #1 in chucking it up and hoping for PI.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby IanMoran on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:04 pm

Qbs I'd take over Flacco (in no order other than going through divisions)

1. RG3
2. Eli
3. Romo
4. Rodgers
5. Stafford
6. Ryan
7. Brees
8. Kaepnick
9. Brady
10. Dalton
11. Schaub
12. Ben
13. Peyton

He's somewhere in a mix of Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Newton right now

aka.. completely middle of the road starter
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby count2infinity on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:07 pm

I'm not sure I understand these player's going into the negotiations... 100 million over the next 6 year? nah man... that won't work. Add another 20 on it. It must just be a completely different culture, but that is A LOT of money to live on. I'm not even sure what I'd do with making 2 million a year, let alone 20 million. It's crazy.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby The Snapshot on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:12 pm

He should give half of his big contract to Boldin. Boldin had one of the greatest finishes of any receiver in recent memory, making all of the big catches for that team. Flacco is definitely a "duck and chuck" QB, and I'll give him credit for putting it close enough to his guys to allow them to fight for it and/draw PI - but Boldin made catches on his dominant strength that no other receiver in the league makes.

In the last 4 weeks of the season and playoffs, every single time he needed a play he went there, and the thing was that Boldin was mostly covered. Flacco did his part by getting it close, but the reality was that he was throwing to covered guy and didn't need to make his progressions.

I don't believe Flacco is all that, and when he needs to think he is even worse. Boldin for the win.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Froggy on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:21 pm

the irony is that boldin is likely a cap casualty
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby JS© on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:45 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:bringing up stats to show that flacco doesnt "deserve" the money is also foolish, because quite frankly, stiller fans have been whining about how the media has slighted big ben because ben does not put up gaudy stats.


and I've also said in the past that Ben was overpaid, but that's for another thread.

You seriously think he deserves $20m?
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Troy Loney on Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:49 pm

IanMoran wrote:Qbs I'd take over Flacco (in no order other than going through divisions)

1. RG3
2. Eli
3. Romo
4. Rodgers
5. Stafford
6. Ryan
7. Brees
8. Kaepnick
9. Brady
10. Dalton
11. Schaub
12. Ben
13. Peyton

He's somewhere in a mix of Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Newton right now

aka.. completely middle of the road starter


Stafford, Dalton and Romo? wow.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:08 pm

JS© wrote:
KennyTheKangaroo wrote:bringing up stats to show that flacco doesnt "deserve" the money is also foolish, because quite frankly, stiller fans have been whining about how the media has slighted big ben because ben does not put up gaudy stats.


and I've also said in the past that Ben was overpaid, but that's for another thread.

You seriously think he deserves $20m?


As clint eastwood once wisely pointed out, deserves got nothin to do with it. if you are a quarterback that is good enough to win 10 playoff games in 5 or 6 seasons or whatever, and you are good enough to make the playoffs every year. and you happen to be in beast mode in the playoffs when your contract is due, then you get paid 20 million a year
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby canaan on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:24 pm

Flacco is a decent qb. hes not a 20mil/yr quarterback, but hes good for the ravens gameplan. Boldin did play great, but for every good qb, there is a good wr to assist.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby TheHammer24 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:25 pm

That's silly, KTK. The only relevant question is how much is Joey Flacco worth to the Ravens? A QB of the pedigree of Brees, BRoeth, Brady, etc., have shown they are capable in the playoffs. Flacco has too. But the former are consistent and present minimal risk to the team of not performing. Flacco is inconsistent and the Ravens risk having a flub QB unlike the teams who employ the other QBs. That risk presents a cost that requires a discounted contract.

Sure, the cost of peddling around with a real bad QB may be far greater than the cost of overpaying Flacco. I buy that argument. However, I don't understand why they didn't franchise him. If he has a great season next year, then give him the money. If he falters, you'll save some money. But buying high is always bad business.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby Froggy on Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:44 pm

yeah, if you were going to give him that kind of money anyway, it would have made more sense to franchise him.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:24 pm

all this noise that about how flacco is average for the other 17 weeks of the season is silly as well. in 2008 big ben was

24th in passer efficiency
21st in completion percentage
17th in ypg
14th in total yards passing
17th in ypa
17 touchdowns. which happened to be one fewer than tyler thigpen.

which is practicially identical to flaccos production in 2012. so why are we sitting here crowing about how this guy is such a slug?

hes just like ben.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby ville5 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:34 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Qbs I'd take over Flacco (in no order other than going through divisions)

1. RG3
2. Eli
3. Romo
4. Rodgers
5. Stafford
6. Ryan
7. Brees
8. Kaepnick
9. Brady
10. Dalton
11. Schaub
12. Ben
13. Peyton

He's somewhere in a mix of Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Newton right now

aka.. completely middle of the road starter


Stafford, Dalton and Romo? wow.

Over Flacco? Everyday of the week, twice on Sunday.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby penscup on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:35 pm

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:While kenny the kangroo will openly admit to being a self loathing yinzer in many cases, this is not one of them.

This is a case of stiller nation coming down with a common symptoms of yinzer-itis: Being stuck in the past and oblivious of the big picture.

Stiller nation still has notion that flacco is an overgrown oofus doofus that routinely gets terrorized by james harrison and troy polamalu. that was true five years ago, but its not the case now.

The big picture is that when a quarterback wins a super bowl, they get paid. Eli got paid, Rodgers got paid (although not $100 million), Ben got paid. Brees got paid. Now flacco is getting paid.

like it or not, the ravens have one the afc north each of the past two seasons. like it or not, flacco has a 10-4 record in the playoffs. like it or not, he was the super bowl mvp. like it or not, he was dominant in the playoffs and beat tom brady and peyton manning. and thats why he got paid.


Big :thumb: in agreement with all of this.

He has won a playoff game every year he's been in the league. How do people not understand how impressive that is? How is that in any possible way close to being "inconsistent."

Who cares about regular season stats. 11 TD's and 0 INT's in the playoffs this year. That is ridiculous.

Of course he is getting overpaid with this contract. Everyone in the league is overpaid, that is just the way the NFL operates (check out Michael Vick's last contract). Baltimore should have inked him to a smaller dear earlier but they screwed up and had to overpay him coming off the SB win otherwise he might leave.

Who cares if the contract is 100 million or 120 million. He deserves to get paid like one of the top QB's in the league now because he is one.
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Re: Flacco re-signs with the Ravens

Postby TheHammer24 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:53 pm

ville5 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Qbs I'd take over Flacco (in no order other than going through divisions)

1. RG3
2. Eli
3. Romo
4. Rodgers
5. Stafford
6. Ryan
7. Brees
8. Kaepnick
9. Brady
10. Dalton
11. Schaub
12. Ben
13. Peyton

He's somewhere in a mix of Luck, Wilson, Rivers, Newton right now

aka.. completely middle of the road starter


Stafford, Dalton and Romo? wow.

Over Flacco? Everyday of the week, twice on Sunday.

This list is aggressive. No way you'd take Kapernick over Flacco. Same goes for Romo. Stafford is close, but I'd take Flacco.
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