Gaucho wrote:Glorious. I can haz the same for Sutter's OT goal?
I stole this from HF. And this from thePensblog:

Sutter made that look too easy.
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Gaucho wrote:Glorious. I can haz the same for Sutter's OT goal?
Henry Hank wrote:I just watched the highlights. First of all, no doubt Vokoun had some problems. Rebound control was weak on some goals and the sixth goal certainly was a bad one. But he also made a lot of great saves. The defense around the net is pathetic. If all you take out of last night is the goaltending was bad, I don't know what more you need to see. They will make any goalie, including Fleury, look like garbage behind this. And they have.
Price was pretty bad too last night.
bhaw wrote:pens_CT wrote:bhaw wrote:At this point, if people can't see that our coach and style of play is going to sink this team, I don't know what to say. You can't bank on scoring 6+ every game.
Blame Bylsma's system for pinching the d-men if you want. Blame Bylsma for those long stretch passes which don't accomplish anything, but I can't blame his style of play when our defenders stare at the puck in our zone and are oblivious to opponents who are near the goal. You can claim this is a coaching issue, but at some point these well paid professionals need to understand and commit themselves to the basic concepts of defense.
So you're of the opinion that Orpik, Letang, Paul Martin, and Michalek, who have all been proven defensemen, forgot how defense works over the last 2 years? Either they all suffered the same mental illness at the same time or there's something else causing them to look clueless. Just sayin'. This has been going on since DB took over, and it gets worse as time goes.
bhaw wrote:Having Vokoun shut us down for years where he'd make countless ridiculous stops is causing this crap show of a year for him to seem even worse.
Gaucho wrote:Bioshock wrote:-Vokoun wasn't good but the defense in front of him on most of the goals was horrendous.
I'd say the defense wasn't good, but Vokoun was horrendous. He made some big saves, but allowed at least three questionable goals. You can't expect your D to always be on the lookout for rebounds that shouldn't be there.
Shakes wrote:Gaucho wrote:Glorious. I can haz the same for Sutter's OT goal?
I stole this from HF. And this from thePensblog:
Sutter made that look too easy.
Mr. Colby wrote:Just read through this thread... people seriously wish we had Michalek? That guy did nothing for me... to use a roster spot on a defenseman that does nothing well other than block shots is a complete waste.
Give me a guy that can make a breakout pass and clear the front of the net once in a while any day of the week
Mr. Colby wrote:If this team wants any shot at competing in the playoffs, it's going to have to shed some of the dead minutes.
27, 48, 10 have to go. 46 maybe too.
Mr. Colby wrote:Just read through this thread... people seriously wish we had Michalek? That guy did nothing for me... to use a roster spot on a defenseman that does nothing well other than block shots is a complete waste.
Give me a guy that can make a breakout pass and clear the front of the net once in a while any day of the week
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Talbot got run out of here, Fedetenko and ZM did. Tanner Glass was a league leader in hits yet looks average on his very best days here. Fact is Michalek was at the very least somewhat responsible in the Philly series. He was on the ice for very goals compared to the other d-men. Im not saying he could change things here, but something aint right.
The Snapshot wrote:BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Talbot got run out of here, Fedetenko and ZM did. Tanner Glass was a league leader in hits yet looks average on his very best days here. Fact is Michalek was at the very least somewhat responsible in the Philly series. He was on the ice for very goals compared to the other d-men. Im not saying he could change things here, but something aint right.
Talbot played like garbage in his last season here. Fedotenko stinks today and did when we let him go. Are you seriously wanting them back, or blaming their exit on the system?
So we want a guy who could play with a dozen eggs in his pants and not break one as our 5th D man because he blocks shots (sorry, he would break them all when he flopped to the ice)? Lots of Dmen in the league can blocks shots. I would say we could use one, but they should trade for someone with a less passive style than Michalek.
BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:The Snapshot wrote:BurghersAndDogsSports wrote:
Talbot got run out of here, Fedetenko and ZM did. Tanner Glass was a league leader in hits yet looks average on his very best days here. Fact is Michalek was at the very least somewhat responsible in the Philly series. He was on the ice for very goals compared to the other d-men. Im not saying he could change things here, but something aint right.
Talbot played like garbage in his last season here. Fedotenko stinks today and did when we let him go. Are you seriously wanting them back, or blaming their exit on the system?
So we want a guy who could play with a dozen eggs in his pants and not break one as our 5th D man because he blocks shots (sorry, he would break them all when he flopped to the ice)? Lots of Dmen in the league can blocks shots. I would say we could use one, but they should trade for someone with a less passive style than Michalek.
I dont really care if they are back or not. I just find it curious that Talbot played like garbage here but went on to be exactly what he was before, Fedetenko is older but didnt suck the few years after he left - in fact he played a pretty solid depth/pk role for the Rangers the last few years after being a playoff scratch here, Tannger Glass is the exact opposite as he played that role fine and was "what we needed" but pretty much sucks here.
Again I am not a Michalek apologize but 4/6th of our d wouldnt break eggs and a guy like Martin isnt physical at all he is just in better position. Eaton wasnt physical at all, nor was Gonchar. Whether it was Michalek or someone else nobody seems to be able to play here in those roles. I would much rather have him than half our defense right now, at least he was in position could block shots and didnt completely embarrass himself in Philly.
Orpik can break plenty of eggs in his pants, when he is checking you into the boards 30 feet away from the net as the pucks sits inside it.
Henry Hank wrote:But I don't think you really need to look any further than the guys already on the team. Orpik, Letang, Martin at the least have all proven they can play at a high level in the NHL. When pretty much any defenseman looks like garbage on this team, and any goalie looks like garbage behind them, I don't see how it isn't obvious that it's not primarily the players, it's an issue with the team's style of play.
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