Suter & Parise sign with Wild

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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Mr. Colby on Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:45 am

Forgot about Granlund, he's gonna be pretty good.

I don't know if I'd call Parise a franchise player, he's a star for sure, but I'm not ready to consider him a franchise player. He definitely would not be that here, that's why a 13 year deal could never have happened in Pittsburgh (and if it did it would not have been a smart decision)
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby cheesesteakwithegg on Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:11 am

I would have liked Suter and / or Parise, however, signing one or both of them would have made retaining Letang, MAF, and possibly Geno long term more difficult.

Plus, back in 08 when we lost Hossa and Malone, everyone thought it was the end of the world. We replaced them with Satan and Fedotenko and that ended up working out pretty well.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:22 am

Pens Options going forward as I see it:

A) Don’t make any more major moves, go to camp with what we got, play our game (good enough to stay in contention for sure) and see what comes available at the trade deadline (hello Jerome, would you like to take a run at the cup sir?). This may be the most prudent course of action, but man, seeing TK take regular shifts in the top 6 is going to give me some major heartburn from October through February.


B) Give up whatever it takes to grab Shea Weber. Its going to take a ton. But it just might be worth it. Would Nashville consider this “Godfather” offer: Paul Martin, Tyler Kennedy, Eric Tangradi, our next two year’s 1st round picks, Despres and Dulomin (nearly NHL ready prospect we picked up in the Staal trade)? Yes. That is a ridiculous boatload of an offer, and will never ever actually happen. But I actually would be willing to serve that up right now, in the wake of Nashville losing one of their franchise cornerstones for absolutely nothing, to bring in one of the top defensemen on the planet to play with Letang.

C) Work with the Goldwater Institute in Arizona to make sure that the Coyotes ownership situation is a total disaster. Make a big 3 year offer to Shane Doan. Look up his numbers and transpose them with Billy G right before he came to Pittsburgh. Getting Doan for a few more seasons when he is 36 instead of 39 would be a big coup in my book. And he brings that veteran combination of skill, savvy and grit that would mesh perfectly with Crosby’s game. I’ve always been a big admirer of Doan since a random game I saw him absolutely take over when Versus was showing a late night Coyotes-Sharks game instead of their usual Gopher Hunting marathon. The Yotes were down few goals in the 3rd, and Doan just morphed into the incredible Hulk and single- handily willed his squad back to an OT victory. It was like there were 9 other guys skating around randomly, and Shane Doan on the ice commanding everything around him for every shift he took that period. IF the Pens can get even 75% of that player, I will take that signed in blood for a few more years.


D) The “Satan” route. This is similar to option A, but with a slight twist that they at least find someone who can come in and give them something for the financial and roster space that is “unfortunately” available. Possible guys I can see fitting into this role: via free agency: Fedetenko, Semin, or a Kostitsyn. Via a possible trade: Malone, Hemsky, or Stafford (3 guys who have fell out of favor with their teams and whose contracts don’t look quite as bad in light of the way the Cap has gone up recently).


E) Swing a deal with the Wings (who are really looking to fill in a top 4 D spot and have a slight overabundance of forwards) Paul Martin for, say Justin Abdelkader or Darren Helm.

F) Find some way to get Rick Nash out of Purgatory. I don't think he is worth the King's Ransom Columbus is asking for, but maybe someone can convince Craig Patrick over there to pull a "Eddie Johnson with Hartford" move to help his old squad out.


It sucks that Parise didn’t want to come here to play with Sid, but we are still in better shape then a lot of teams going into this season. Would have loved to have seen him here, but moving on we still got the two biggest offensive forces in hockey on our team. Locking up Geno long term should now become Shero’s #1 priority, and anything after that is a bonus.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Mongoose87 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 3:19 pm

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=399987

Sounds like Weber would've preferred to see the big guys in Nashville.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby newarenanow on Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:41 pm

Honestly, if the Pens didn't get either one, I'm glad the Wild did.

I like Minny.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Rylan on Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:42 pm

newarenanow wrote:Honestly, if the Pens didn't get either one, I'm glad the Wild did.

I like Minny.


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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Pitt87 on Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:01 pm

newarenanow wrote:Honestly, if the Pens didn't get either one, I'm glad the Wild did.

I like Minny.


If nothing else, Chuck Fletcher looks like a top GM this year. Good for him, and Yeo gets a legit shot at making the playoffs and even going deep.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby ville5 on Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:38 am

I'm willing to bet Parise and Suter NEVER lead Minny to a Stanley Cup championship.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby penny lane on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:26 am

http://www.startribune.com/sports/16168 ... y#continue

michael russo details the wild's journey of getting the 2 boys to sign !
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby KG on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:29 am

Very good article....Interesting that Parise took less then what the Wild originally offered to have the same contract as Suter...

At least they didn't end up in Philly who offered Parise more the article says...
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby IanMoran on Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:59 pm

Wow... I rarely read a sports piece anymore and actually feel like I've legitimately learned something. One thing I've learned from all of this is what a great reporter Russo is

For each team, there was a list of 12-15 criteria that Parise prioritized -- everything from hockey operations, ownership stability, travel, taxation and lifestyle to the on-ice product and the organization's prospects.


"When you're looking at committing the next 13 years of your life, you have to think bigger picture than just the current NHL talent," Arnott said. "How will things look five, six, seven, eight years from now?"


I can't help but think Pittsburgh had to be rated well on all of the things mentioned :(
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Pitt87 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:21 am

IanMoran wrote:Wow... I rarely read a sports piece anymore and actually feel like I've legitimately learned something. One thing I've learned from all of this is what a great reporter Russo is

For each team, there was a list of 12-15 criteria that Parise prioritized -- everything from hockey operations, ownership stability, travel, taxation and lifestyle to the on-ice product and the organization's prospects.


"When you're looking at committing the next 13 years of your life, you have to think bigger picture than just the current NHL talent," Arnott said. "How will things look five, six, seven, eight years from now?"


I can't help but think Pittsburgh had to be rated well on all of the things mentioned :(


Our state income and property taxes suck... only thing that I think would impact out of the above. The hockey operations are fairly young in MN, and Craig Leipold complained about salary expenses saying they were losing money on that basis, then gives both guys huge, front loaded contracts. That doesn't make much sense.

That said, I can't help but think that Zach didn't want to play with Sid, he wanted to compete with Sid. Its got to be the deciding factor.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:18 pm

I would have loved for Parise to have accepted Philly's offer. An $8.5 million cap hit until Parise turns 40? Drool.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby RainbowsAndCottonCandy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:37 pm

Did anyone else see the images on TSN?

It shows Parise and Suter with A's on their sweaters...

Does this mean they stripped Heatley and Cullen of their A's in favor of these two guys?

I mean I know that Parise was an NHL captain and Suter was an assistant with the Preds...but really?

I mean this will be Cullen's 15 year in the NHL and Heatley's 11th. Suter and Parise have both completed only 7 years. I know that these guys are locked in for 13 years and are the face of the franchise now...but can't you let them earn their place a little? I dunno, just a little disrespectful as far as I am concerned.

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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby IanMoran on Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:12 pm

RainbowsAndCottonCandy wrote:Did anyone else see the images on TSN?

It shows Parise and Suter with A's on their sweaters...

Does this mean they stripped Heatley and Cullen of their A's in favor of these two guys?

I mean I know that Parise was an NHL captain and Suter was an assistant with the Preds...but really?

I mean this will be Cullen's 15 year in the NHL and Heatley's 11th. Suter and Parise have both completed only 7 years. I know that these guys are locked in for 13 years and are the face of the franchise now...but can't you let them earn their place a little? I dunno, just a little disrespectful as far as I am concerned.

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Could have home A's and away A's like the Pens did with Staal / Orpik
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby marek on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:26 pm

Awe... those two boys look so cute together... are they going to bunk together and spoon too?

Middle earth freaks. All there is to it.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby SolidSnake on Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:59 pm

I'm glad they signed with Minnesota
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby RainbowsAndCottonCandy on Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:43 pm

SolidSnake wrote:I'm glad they signed with Minnesota


Me too, it was good for them. I would never pay that for a defensmen other than bobby orr...glad we still have the cash for Malkin...
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby sniper on Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:08 pm

22 games into their first season with Minnesota Parise and Suter both have 15 points. The exact same amount as Paul Martin.

I have a feeling the fans in Minnesota expected a bit more production than that out of Parise. Tied for second on the team in scoring and 97th in the league. Tied for 5th in even strength points on his team with 8. For some perspective Matt Cooke has 12 even strength points this year. Although Malkin only has 9.

Their team is 25th in goal scoring at 2.27 goals per game. Last year they were dead last at 2.02 goals per game. So they've added a goal every 4th game. They also cut their goals against per game from 2.65 to 2.50. Which is roughly one less goal against every 6 or 7 games. Still giving up more goals than they score. It's only year one and they have a lot of young guys coming up, but I think they expected more than that out of them this season and Parise in particular.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Pens4Life on Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:08 am

Parise is a big dissapointment production wise in Minny.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby KG on Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:29 am

I can't believe Ryan Suter makes over $7mill a year...
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:03 am

He's on pace for 60+ points in an 82 game season. Might be underpaid.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby columbia on Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:09 am

They're leading their division, so mission accomplished so far.
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby Pitts on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:42 am

columbia wrote:They're leading their division, so mission accomplished so far.

Are you saying they have arrived?
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Re: Suter & Parise sign with Wild

Postby columbia on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:43 am

Pitts wrote:
columbia wrote:They're leading their division, so mission accomplished so far.

Are you saying they have arrived?



Nope. :)
Just that they have improved the club, as expected.
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