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Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic ocean

Postby columbia on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:58 pm

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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby Bioshock on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

I'm surprised they didn't find the Flyers down there while they were at it.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby mac5155 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:36 pm

Potw.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:20 am

Absolutely amazing. If you get the chance to go see one of those F1 engines in person, do it.

It's bonkers to think that my Galaxy SIII has more computer processing power than all of NASA had when they sent dudes to the moon.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:25 am

On a related note, I noticed Voyager I and II were back in the news this week.

I find it absolutely incredible that both of these spacecraft are STILL delivering data back to NASA even as they rapidly approach the outer edge of our solar system.

And just look at what Voyager 2 accomplished. Over the span of the 1980s, this single spacecraft encountered and photographed all four of the outer gas giants, along with many of their moons. Now, much like it's sister craft, it heads boldly into interstellar space. Just amazing stuff.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby pittsoccer33 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:25 am

I remember reading (perhaps an urban legend) that the plans for the Saturn V rockets has been lost
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby newarenanow on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:26 am

Wow. THat's awesome.

And Bioshock, awesome posts.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby relantel on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:46 am

shafnutz05 wrote:On a related note, I noticed Voyager I and II were back in the news this week.

I find it absolutely incredible that both of these spacecraft are STILL delivering data back to NASA even as they rapidly approach the outer edge of our solar system.

And just look at what Voyager 2 accomplished. Over the span of the 1980s, this single spacecraft encountered and photographed all four of the outer gas giants, along with many of their moons. Now, much like it's sister craft, it heads boldly into interstellar space. Just amazing stuff.


And don't forget Voyager 6 :pop:
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:46 am

pittsoccer33 wrote:I remember reading (perhaps an urban legend) that the plans for the Saturn V rockets has been lost

If true, I would imagine there are myriad factors that might explain that.

Annnnnnd...... a quick trip to the Google Box bears that out. Seems many of the subs are defunct, and the medium in which a lot of the data was stored was obsolete within a few years. There have been sufficient advances in rocketry since 1969 that I'm not sure a Saturn V rocket would even be viable today, anyway.

Interesting to read that this rocket system would cost $4.4 billion per launch in today's money...... :shock:






Edited because I can't count commas.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby JS© on Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:21 pm

Bioshock wrote:I'm surprised they didn't find the Flyers down there while they were at it.

boom
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby Shyster on Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:24 pm

The overall Saturn V would be antiquated by today’s standards, but there are plenty of components that would still be perfectly viable with a little modernization, like the F-1 and J-2 engines. I take the view that the Space Transportation System (i.e., the STS, or space shuttle) was essentially a dead-end and the space program would have been better served by continuing to develop and modernize rockets like the Saturn V and I-B. The SLS in operation was far more expensive than it was ever planned to be, and it was strictly limited to low-Earth orbit. More than 30 years after ending Saturn V production, NASA is spending a ton of money to develop the Space Launch System (SLS)—a family of shuttle-derived rockets that in its most powerful form will only barely surpass the performance offered by the original Saturn V.

In terms of cost, SpaceX is mum on most of the details, but they have announced that they are working on a “Merlin 2” engine that would rival if not exceed the Saturn’s F-1 engines in terms of thrust. A rocket using those engines could offer more capacity than NASA’s SLS at a fraction of the cost. (Assuming the SLS ever flies in the first place; Congress could always cut off the funding.)
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:39 pm

And of course, more power means greater payload capacity or the ability to truly escape Earth's gravity and scoot about the neighborhood.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby columbia on Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:41 pm

columbia's father weighs in:

Quite a Find! The F1 engines were designed & built by Rocketdyne in Canoga Park.
Their main facilities were on Desoto Ave, about two miles south of the AI hqs buildings where I worked.
Both R'dyne & AI were divisions of NAA, which later became Rockwell International.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby DMcGrew on Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:39 pm

I visited the Kennedy Space Center a few weeks ago and got to see a Saturn V rocket. It was the coolest machine I've ever seen. There's no way to appreciate how large it is until you stand next to it. It is AMAZING.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby shafnutz05 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:44 pm

DMcGrew wrote:I visited the Kennedy Space Center a few weeks ago and got to see a Saturn V rocket. It was the coolest machine I've ever seen. There's no way to appreciate how large it is until you stand next to it. It is AMAZING.


With any other poster I would feel bad saying this, but.....pics or it didn't happen :slug:
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby tifosi77 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:48 pm

When I was a kid I visited KSC and the Saturn V was outside the visitor center. Have they moved it?
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby DocEmrick on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:18 pm

My pap on my dad's side worked for Rocketdyne. Very cutting edge stuff at the time, most of them were German
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby redwill on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:25 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:And just look at what Voyager 2 accomplished. Over the span of the 1980s, this single spacecraft encountered and photographed all four of the outer gas giants


Thank you for not giving pics of Uranus.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby relantel on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:27 pm

tifosi77 wrote:When I was a kid I visited KSC and the Saturn V was outside the visitor center. Have they moved it?

Still there.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby columbia on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:28 pm

redwill wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:And just look at what Voyager 2 accomplished. Over the span of the 1980s, this single spacecraft encountered and photographed all four of the outer gas giants


Thank you for not giving pics of Uranus.


That's going to be in tomorrow's dossier.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby MRandall25 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:31 pm

redwill wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote:And just look at what Voyager 2 accomplished. Over the span of the 1980s, this single spacecraft encountered and photographed all four of the outer gas giants


Thank you for not giving pics of Uranus.


Image
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby Pitt87 on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:52 pm

Bioshock wrote:I'm surprised they didn't find the Flyers down there while they were at it.


Bazinga.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby stinky on Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:33 am

I think it would cost 4 billion to launch, not trillion. And the lack of computing power always amazed me too, even the early space shuttles had very little computing power.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby tifosi77 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:10 am

Derh, you're right. I can't count commas.
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Re: Moon rocket engines recovered from bottom of Atlantic oc

Postby King Sid the Great 87 on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:22 am

I'm surprised the EPA hasn't been all over leaving engines in the ocean. Surely some ecosystem in the Atlantic has been distrubed by this.
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