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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Rocco on Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:57 pm

UCLA gets blown out and fires their coach. Pitt gets blown out and gives their coach a lavish extension. One school wants to win, one school just wants to try really hard.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby IanMoran on Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:23 pm

I think Rocco is probably the only person that could be a worse AD than Pederson
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Rocco on Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:51 pm

I wouldn't have hired Bill Callahan ever. I also wouldn't be held hostage by a coach who consistently takes dumps in tournament play.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby the wicked child on Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:59 pm

I don't hate Dixon or anything, but giving him a 10! year extension after going 0-2 in the post season smacks of the Stillerz giving Kordell an 8 year contract after he cried on the sidelines after being pulled.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby pfim on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:17 am

Rocco wrote:UCLA gets blown out and fires their coach. Pitt gets blown out and gives their coach a lavish extension. One school wants to win, one school just wants to try really hard.


Well, good luck with that UCLA.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby pfim on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:18 am

pfim wrote:Jamie Dixon isn't going to USC.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:26 am

Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby pfim on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:34 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


Yes?
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby newarenanow on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:41 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


They've been to more final fours in the past 7 decades than Pitt has.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby pittsports87 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:43 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..

Well to be fair even Butler, VCU, and George Mason have been to more final fours than Pitt in the last decade.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:46 am

pfim wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


Yes?


So what is this with the snide "good luck with that"? Apparently they change things when they aren't doing what they want. Weren't getting to the championship games, so they brought in a new coach. He stopped getting the job done, so they're going with someone new. Seems obvious for a program that wants to win...or so one would think.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:49 am

newarenanow wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


They've been to more final fours in the past 7 decades than Pitt has.


Well if they have been to more final fours in the past decade than pitt has ever, it would necessarily follow that they would have been in more final fours in the past 7 decades than pitt has.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby newarenanow on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:51 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
newarenanow wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


They've been to more final fours in the past 7 decades than Pitt has.


Well if they have been to more final fours in the past decade than pitt has ever, it would necessarily follow that they would have been in more final fours in the past 7 decades than pitt has.


No U.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby pfim on Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:57 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
pfim wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Hasn't UCLA been to more final fours in the past decade than Pitt has, ..


Yes?


So what is this with the snide "good luck with that"? Apparently they change things when they aren't doing what they want. Weren't getting to the championship games, so they brought in a new coach. He stopped getting the job done, so they're going with someone new. Seems obvious for a program that wants to win...or so one would think.


Firing Ben Howland isn't proof that they want to win. Firing Ben Howland is proof that they're impatient. UCLA is stuck in the 70s when they could just pay for whomever and dominate the field. No one does that anymore.

Also, comparing UCLA to Pitt is absurd. Certainly expectations and resources are much different.

I guess we'll see how good of a job UCLA is perceived to be by who they bring in for a coach.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby canaan on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:05 am

UCLA is gonna go hard after Shaka Smart.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby IanMoran on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:06 am

I think there's a lot of al Davis type of guys. Anyways, I'm good friends with a ucla alum /major ucla fan. He stresses that it really wasn't the recent lack of success, but all the "adversity" surrounding him and the program. Apparently he's burned a lot of bridges, recruiting connections and a lot of powerful people just couldn't stand him. Obviously, winning more probably solves / covers that up, but I think there's more than that here
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby IanMoran on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:06 am

canaan wrote:UCLA is gonna go hard after Shaka Smart.

Which they may get... Pitt wouldn't
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:09 am

5 seasons of early exits is impatient? Had he not had an elite program the prior 3 seasons, i'd buy that, but when you go from great for 3 years to mediocre for 5 years, hard to call that impatient. Results-oriented maybe. The firing of Howland is far closer to sanity than extending Dixon for another decade.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby newarenanow on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:14 am

Idoit40fans wrote:5 seasons of early exits is impatient? Had he not had an elite program the prior 3 seasons, i'd buy that, but when you go from great for 3 years to mediocre for 5 years, hard to call that impatient. Results-oriented maybe. The firing of Howland is far closer to sanity than extending Dixon for another decade.


I personally think it's two totally different situations. UCLA is a blueblood elite type school. Pitt is not.

Prior to the Howland Dixon era, except for a 3 or 4 year run in the mid to late 80s, Pitt's BB program was absolute crap. I think Dixon is one of the main reasons it has maintaned any kind of success.

UCLA can go out and get a top tier coach. I don't think Pitt can. Pitt is much better off keeping Dixon.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby KennyTheKangaroo on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:15 am

and therein lies the pitt paradox.

if pitt hangs onto a good coach that underacheives, pitt fans "accept mediocrity"

if pant gets rid of a good coach that underacheives, pitt fans "think they are ohio state or ucla or someone that can actually win"
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:16 am

I understand that its two different situations, but disparaging UCLA for changing coaches is pretty short-sighted.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:22 am

Idoit40fans wrote:5 seasons of early exits is impatient? Had he not had an elite program the prior 3 seasons, i'd buy that, but when you go from great for 3 years to mediocre for 5 years, hard to call that impatient. Results-oriented maybe. The firing of Howland is far closer to sanity than extending Dixon for another decade.


Howland spent 10 seasons in Westwood, finishing with a 233-107 record.
Howland had the longest tenure of any UCLA BB coach since a guy named John Wooden.
Howland is coming off an outstanding coaching performance, with the Bruins winning the Pac-12 Conference regular-season championship.
Howland won his fourth conference championship, more than any UCLA coach other than John Wooden.

It didn't help the Bruins' postseason chances when freshman guard Jordan Adams broke his right foot in the Pac-12 tournament semifinals.

Freshman Shabazz Muhammad went through a lengthy NCAA investigation, and wasn't cleared to play until three games into the season. Freshman Tony Parker had a series of injuries and was slow to develop. Junior guard Tyler Lamb and junior center Joshua Smith, who battled weight problems, transferred in November, sapping the Bruins' depth. Smith was also UCLA's most formidable inside player.

Guerrero, ULCA's AD, said that "I evaluate a coach on a number of other things besides wins and losses. I looked at the entire program, where we were and especially where we're headed. Now was the appropriate time to make a change and get a fresh start."

Which is to say, it's all about money.

The Pauley just went through a renovation that cost $138 million. The renovation put a lot of pressure on UCLA to sell season tickets. But with a per-ticket donation to the Wooden Athletic Fund ranging from $100 to $17,000 for priority seats, that task proved difficult.

"There are a number factors that dictate whether people come to games or not," Guerrero said. "We obviously do need to generate as much fan support as we can, get people in the seats."

If I'm not mistaken, "The Pete" is almost always sold out right?

*That's* the major reason Dixon still has a job and Howland doesn't, not their respective Tourney Win/Loss records.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby King Sid the Great 87 on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:23 am

To the crowd who thinks Dixon can't be let go because they couldn't possibly find somebody else to keep the program standing in place for a decade: Who was Jamie Dixon other than a no-name assistant of under Ben Howland before Howland left?
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby newarenanow on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:23 am

KennyTheKangaroo wrote:and therein lies the pitt paradox.

if pitt hangs onto a good coach that underacheives, pitt fans "accept mediocrity"

if pant gets rid of a good coach that underacheives, pitt fans "think they are ohio state or ucla or someone that can actually win"


As a Pitt fan, I realize where we belong in the FB/BB world.

I think holding onto Dixon isn't accepting medicority, and he is probably our best long term solution to ever going to the FF or winning a NC. I think it was the right move.
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Re: Pitt Basketball 2012-13

Postby newarenanow on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:25 am

King Sid the Great 87 wrote:To the crowd who thinks Dixon can't be let go because they couldn't possibly find somebody else to keep the program standing in place for a decade: Who was Jamie Dixon other than a no-name assistant of under Ben Howland before Howland left?


We were pretty damn lucky. That is not going to happen every time. Look at all of the Pitt hires before this one both in FB and BB over the last 3 decades. Dixon is the only one that truly worked out.
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