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Pavel Bure wrote:Nothing to see here. Mikey comes in with tangible proof, other person can't provide tangible proof that anyone else is the greatest. End of story.
mikey287 wrote:If Gordie Howe was playing in an expansion-filled, diluted era, he would have beat them all. Instead, Gordie had to play against the 5 best goalies in the world every night and going against the 5 best defensive pairings in the world every night and get checked by 5 best left wingers every night...he never got to score 12 goals in a game against the expansion Lightning or Senators...he never got to shoot on Allan Bester or Murray Bannerman (well, maybe him).
There's mild debate, but it's not a very convincing case. Just a lot of ifs. So far, the subject here hasn't been broached.
Pavel Bure wrote:mikey287 wrote:If Gordie Howe was playing in an expansion-filled, diluted era, he would have beat them all. Instead, Gordie had to play against the 5 best goalies in the world every night and going against the 5 best defensive pairings in the world every night and get checked by 5 best left wingers every night...he never got to score 12 goals in a game against the expansion Lightning or Senators...he never got to shoot on Allan Bester or Murray Bannerman (well, maybe him).
There's mild debate, but it's not a very convincing case. Just a lot of ifs. So far, the subject here hasn't been broached.
I guess... although the European nations weren't tapped at all during his time soooooooo hard to say if the "best" moniker is true. I could be very wrong though just going off logical steps.
Pucks_and_Pols wrote:Gretzky had 1.91 points per game. Lemieux had 1.88 on lesser teams while playing through more injuries. How is that case closed?
mikey287 wrote:@relantel - I'll go there with older names. I love Frank Nighbor. No one can touch the "top 4" but I'll go down pre-memory lane for sure.
And I don't debate history for anything but the fun of it and the education of it. It's not that I don't appreciate what I have been so lucky to witness.
And I don't have Messier in my top 20 of all time, for the record. And I don't say that blindly either.
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