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Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:24 pm



Does this guy leap into every hit? It's embarrassing. This dude had his head up and wasn't injured, but geez...
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby bhaw on Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:37 pm

I'm not sure how he's gotten the NHL free pass all these years. That was principal point of contact to the head and leaving his feet.

Regardless of legality, what bugs me the most is how he's chicken **** and runs away when someone comes after him for those hits. Embarrassment of a hockey player.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:43 pm

I can't tell...I need slow mo.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:48 pm

Rylan wrote:I can't tell...I need slow mo.

Can't tell if serious, but I went to 720p and looked at it, and although it's not the most blatant charge, he does leave his feet before making contact.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:33 pm

Digitalgypsy66 wrote:
Rylan wrote:I can't tell...I need slow mo.

Can't tell if serious, but I went to 720p and looked at it, and although it's not the most blatant charge, he does leave his feet before making contact.


He absolutely leaves his feet.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:58 pm

I can't tell if they were before or after contact. Sue me.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby bhaw on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:00 pm

The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:02 pm

bhaw wrote:The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?


Ok then I agree with that. But if you guys are telling me that you can distinctly tell he left his feet prior to the hit I am going to have to say its inconclusive.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby bhaw on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:05 pm

Rylan wrote:
bhaw wrote:The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?


Ok then I agree with that. But if you guys are telling me that you can distinctly tell he left his feet prior to the hit I am going to have to say its inconclusive.


Fair enough. I still say it doesn't matter. NHL has let him go after guys' heads for years. Then they showcase him when he's a bottom feeder who hides behind his teammates or the refs like Sean Avery. Figures Detroit fans celebrate this guy. He'd probably be a hit in Philly as well.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:07 pm



You make the call :)
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby bhaw on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:08 pm

Up before based on that video.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:08 pm

bhaw wrote:
Rylan wrote:
bhaw wrote:The whole before/during/after distinction is all BS anyways. If you target a guy's head, who cares when you left your feet?


Ok then I agree with that. But if you guys are telling me that you can distinctly tell he left his feet prior to the hit I am going to have to say its inconclusive.


Fair enough. I still say it doesn't matter. NHL has let him go after guys' heads for years. Then they showcase him when he's a bottom feeder who hides behind his teammates or the refs like Sean Avery. Figures Detroit fans celebrate this guy. He'd probably be a hit in Philly as well.


I agree. I am not a fan of Kromwall or his hits. I think he is as bad as anyone, but no one seems to care when he blasts someones brain into next week, just when players with "reputations" do it. Its a joke.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:10 pm

bhaw wrote:Up before based on that video.


I still can't tell. It looks like he was in fact "launching" through the hit. But I think he was still extending when contact was made. Then as the hit was occurring, his momentum upwards finally makes him leaves his skates.

Not trying to be a jerk and just being an opposite viewpoint, but that is what I see.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby bhaw on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:12 pm

This is where I tell you I've been playing hockey longer than you've been alive, so my view point is more valid, right?
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:13 pm

bhaw wrote:This is where I tell you I've been playing hockey longer than you've been alive, so my view point is more valid, right?

ahem... youngster :)
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Rylan on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:13 pm

Correct.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby columbia on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:20 pm

Looks like a dirty hit.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:24 pm

columbia wrote:Looks like a dirty hit.


I'll weigh in and say that strictly by the rules, I think it's too close to call.

Seems to me though that what the rule was trying to prevent, well he crossed that line.

It's one of those hits i hate from an opposing player and love from a Penguin. Go figure.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Fire0nice228 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:28 pm

The hit itself to me is borderline, any 'kronwalling' that I've seen video of has been borderline headshot/leaving the feet, etc. If I am Jamie Mcgin right there I give Kronwall the best crosscheck I can muster as he's trying to scoop himself off the iceafter attempting to run me over, but its a tie game about to go into overtime, so its probably best he didn't. Although, COL has no playoff chance, so maybe he should have said screw it and done it anyway. I also hate how Kronwall stands there with his best 'who me? what did I do? " expression on his face. All in all, I hate Kronwall.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby meow on Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:20 pm

Has a Detroit player been suspended since Shannahan took over?
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby brwi on Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:14 am

Every big Kronwall hit pretty much looks like this one, always borderline and having to slo-mo video to see when exactly he leaves his feet. He puts his body into the hits by bending and then surging upwards. He really drives into the opponent and he's going to leave his feet because everything is going up at impact. I think he's had some hits over time where he left his feet first, but it's tough to tell a lot of times. He's a master at this kind of hit and also picking his spots.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby dman66 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:26 am

The thing that bugs me most about Kronwall's hits is that he basically leads with his back all the time. Most of his bigger hits are like this and they look so awkward.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:32 am

dman66 wrote:The thing that bugs me most about Kronwall's hits is that he basically leads with his back all the time. Most of his bigger hits are like this and they look so awkward.


If it's effective, I'm not sure style points are important... amiright?

My question, building off the idea that his hits are often predictable and are all very similar in 'style', is how do you protect yourself as a forward? Go low?
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby Great58 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:06 am

Kronwall often catches forwards with their heads down coming out of the zone as his first move appears to be falling back on defense, so they drop their head a moment to control the puck. In reality he is just reving up his engine and preparing to drop it into gear, and he succeeds in catching them off guard. Keeping your head up seems the primary defense.
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Re: Kronwall, Kronwalling.

Postby ExPatriatePen on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:12 am

Great58 wrote:Kronwall often catches forwards with their heads down coming out of the zone as his first move appears to be falling back on defense, so they drop their head a moment to control the puck. In reality he is just reving up his engine and preparing to drop it into gear, and he succeeds in catching them off guard. Keeping your head up seems the primary defense.


Not for nothing Great58, but "keep your head up" is kinda superfluous.

I guess I should have asked, once the hit is immanent, how do you position your body for the impact?

McGinn semed to cower from it. Seems the hit was worse for it.
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