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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:29 pm

Shyster wrote:
SoupOrSam wrote:... and then a 9 month application wait on top of it.

I must admit I've never looked into owning one, although I think I know someone who does have one. Is that the usual wait, or are they taking especially long as of late?

Usual wait. There's something like three people that process the forms.

Fun fact, supressors were added to the NFA so people couldn't poach in national forests during the depression. They should be readily available without a stamp as they help prevent hearing loss. If you are against supressors you hate safety and children :D
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby SoupOrSam on Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:48 pm

Another tidbit too:

That's for just a single suppressor for a single gun. :) Pay the $200 app fee too each time(each gun). It's a pain in the butthole.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:28 pm

Super long from what I've heard, and super strict. The local gun dealer here is a class 3 dealer and hardly ever sells anything because it's so hard to get the permits.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:27 am

mac5155 wrote:Super long from what I've heard, and super strict. The local gun dealer here is a class 3 dealer and hardly ever sells anything because it's so hard to get the permits.


You need your sherif to sign off on the transfer unless you have a living trust so there's no on person to do a background check on and it's smart to go that way too since only the person in the transfer can posses the item. You can't let people borrow class 3 items.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:29 pm

The Toomey-Manchin amendment just failed to pass in the Senate. Background checks for private transactions are dead.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:31 pm

Shyster wrote:The Toomey-Manchin amendment just failed to pass in the Senate. Background checks for private transactions are dead.


All legislation will be too. Which is good.

Enforce the current laws and prosecute people who actually break them.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:33 pm

A Grassley-Cruz-Graham substitute amendment is now up for vote. It would increase penalties for straw transactions, improve mental-health checks, and liberalize sales across state lines, but does not include checks on private sales.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:39 pm

Shyster wrote:A Grassley-Cruz-Graham substitute amendment is now up for vote. It would increase penalties for straw transactions, improve mental-health checks, and liberalize sales across state lines, but does not include checks on private sales.


This is actually common sense reform. Of course Eric holder would need to prosecute himself for Fast and Furious :D
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:47 pm

The Grassley-Cruz-Graham substitute amendment also failed to pass. Bummer. It looks like the Senate is voting (or not voting, as it may be) to maintain the status quo.

If Toomey-Manchin couldn't pass, there is no way any revival of the AWB will pass. Gun control at the national level is dead for the foreseeable future. I doubt the House even takes up any bills.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:21 pm

Feinstein's AWB amendment is now up for a vote. Expect it to be officially dead and buried in the next 15 minutes or so.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby DelPen on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:25 pm

Upset that national CCW reciprocity failed.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:40 pm



Feinstein's AWB ammendment goes down in flames, 40-60. She didn't even get 50 votes, let alone the 60 votes the amendment would have needed.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:28 pm

And the amendment from Senators Lautenberg (D-N.J.) and Blumenthal (D-Conn.) that was limited to banning 10+ round magazines just went down to defeat as well. The Senate will vote tomorrow morning on the last two amendments, but neither of them would restrict or ban anything. Every proposed ban or restriction went down to defeat.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:34 pm

I really, really want one of these: https://www.volquartsen.com/products/1120-scorpion
Heck, I think I'll pay extra for that pimp "Hades Red" finish.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:45 pm

Shyster wrote:I really, really want one of these: https://www.volquartsen.com/products/1120-scorpion
Heck, I think I'll pay extra for that pimp "Hades Red" finish.


Have you seen the sig Sauer Spartan 1911? Was it someone on here that mentioned it? Now that is a fine looking handgun.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Thu May 02, 2013 6:57 pm

mac5155 wrote:
Shyster wrote:I really, really want one of these: https://www.volquartsen.com/products/1120-scorpion
Heck, I think I'll pay extra for that pimp "Hades Red" finish.

Have you seen the sig Sauer Spartan 1911? Was it someone on here that mentioned it? Now that is a fine looking handgun.

Oooh... pretty.

If it weren’t for the political B.S. and the ammo shortages (and accompanying high costs), it could hardly be a better time to be a gun person. I’ve been a shooter and gun owner for maybe 17 years now, and even in that time I can say the quantity and variety of available firearms has absolutely skyrocketed. Sig and S&W make 1911s! Ruger makes great carry guns! Mossberg makes ARs (not to mention everyone else and all their friends)! Shotshell-firing revolvers? Front-pocket 9mm semi-autos? Tack-driving “bargain” hunting rifles? You got ’em!
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Mon May 13, 2013 4:52 pm

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/05/ ... on-campus/

Probably could start a new thread for this if we wanted.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:11 pm

Conservatives will be all over this right up to the point when Abdul al Sharfzi shows up on campus with his Glock.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:12 pm

On second thought, there are a fair number of liberals who would get extra outraged at that point, too.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Mon May 13, 2013 5:45 pm

I never took it into a building, but I regularly walked around Pitt’s campus while carrying a concealed handgun. If I wanted to walk from my apartment to, say, Uncle Sam’s, Qdoba, or Szechuan Express to buy some dinner, it was pretty much unavoidable to not walk on or right next to the Pitt campus. I did that dozens if not hundreds of times as an undergrad and law student. I also bet I wasn’t the only one who was doing that, either back then or today.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Fri May 17, 2013 5:50 pm

The list of handguns that can be purchased in California is frozen as of today. California law says that when the Attorney General concludes that microstamping technology is available, any handgun must have that technology in order to get onto the state’s “approved gun” list. The AG just made that determination:
http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb ... BOF-03.pdf

Because no manufacturer actually makes a gun with that technology (and probably never will), any handgun that’s not already on the California “approved” list as of today will likely never be available for sale in that state.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby tifosi77 on Fri May 17, 2013 8:27 pm

Yeah, the 'good gun' list is dopey.

There are gunsmiths/FFLs that do a brisk business converting pistols like the Springfield XDm to single shot (which is a class of handgun that is exempted from the list) and selling them to CA residents via standard interstate FFL transfer. You then take delivery of the single shot conversion of the pistol at your local shop, and then a couple weeks later you can go to a gunsmith in the state - even the same FFL you transferred the gun through if they are so equipped - and have it converted back to its original magazine-fed configuration. (Provided you only use a 10-shot mag)

This is all perfectly legal, which completely negates the stated purpose of the list, and therefore only serves to inconvenience potential California gun buyers. I took the XDm off my shopping list because of this. I don't want to have to do circus tricks just to buy a pistol.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby mac5155 on Sat May 18, 2013 12:46 am

As usual, it makes regular citizens into criminals.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:15 pm

I have a recommendation for Promise Land Sporting Clays (http://promiselandsportingclays.com/), which is located in the middle of nowhere off of Route 28. It's roughly halfway between Freeport and Ford City. A round of approximately 100 birds is $35, and that price includes a gun-rack-equipped golf cart for transportation. The stations were well thought-out and offered a great mix of varied shots, including three stations with rabbits and one throwing battues (the thin ones that drop really fast). Stations offer a combination of report pairs and true pairs. The course is challenging; if you go expect to become a card-carrying member of the Save the Skeets club. My hit rate was less than 50%. This is a really nice sporting clays course at an absolute bargain price.

I was there on Saturday for a bachelor party, and it was a great way to spend an afternoon. I’m usually not a shotgunner, but this was way too fun not to do again. Darn it, I have to go buy a shotgun (I shot the course using a friend’s Remington 870 pump). The Stoeger Condor Sporting is looking really tempting.
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Re: Where are my Gun Owners? (CCW related)

Postby Shyster on Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:01 pm

I walked up to the Allegheny County courthouse today to pick up my CCW permit renewal. Long, long line that snaked out into the central courtyard. The demographics were interesting. While the line was majority male, it was maybe only 60-40 men over women, and while the men in line were of all ages, the women in line skewed to being young, including at least three who looked to be college age. I would say most people in line were white, but African Americans were well represented. It was most certainly not just a bunch of old white guys.
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