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Godric wrote:I loved him when I was a kid but now that I know better its pretty clear Kaspar was a wreckless borderline psycho....
I point to his celebrating ending Big E's career (i probably would have been ecstatic too considering lindros jumped him during the WC earlier that year)
TPW wrote:Godric wrote:I loved him when I was a kid but now that I know better its pretty clear Kaspar was a wreckless borderline psycho....
I point to his celebrating ending Big E's career (i probably would have been ecstatic too considering lindros jumped him during the WC earlier that year)
Lindros was also a huge baby off the ice and a bully on it who never shied away from taking cheap shots of his own. It's not like Kasparaitis knocked out someone with class (with a clean hit on a dumb oaf who had his head down) then celebrated about it.
mikey287 wrote:(snip)For instance, puck comes rolling back to the point, the defenseman throws it in deep, alright fine...in high school and even college (because of those damn cages) you'll see a forward take a stride and blow that guy up just because...he can...ya know what I mean? It's not a "productive" hit, it's just a hit because you're wearing this body armor, you don't feel pain, you're 18 years old and full of testosterone and you can hit someone...
At the pro level, that hit isn't made...you don't finish that hit because it's an amateur hit...if you know what I mean...the only player I can think of in the NHL that actually makes that hit fairly regularly I think is Zac Rinaldo. It's not a "respectable" pro hit, it's a high school hit...(snip)
skullman80 wrote:I was at that game. That hit was clean as a whistle that Kasper put on lindros.
Dan H wrote:mikey287 wrote:(snip)For instance, puck comes rolling back to the point, the defenseman throws it in deep, alright fine...in high school and even college (because of those damn cages) you'll see a forward take a stride and blow that guy up just because...he can...ya know what I mean? It's not a "productive" hit, it's just a hit because you're wearing this body armor, you don't feel pain, you're 18 years old and full of testosterone and you can hit someone...
At the pro level, that hit isn't made...you don't finish that hit because it's an amateur hit...if you know what I mean...the only player I can think of in the NHL that actually makes that hit fairly regularly I think is Zac Rinaldo. It's not a "respectable" pro hit, it's a high school hit...(snip)
Mikey, is there a tactical reason that hit isn't made above a certain level of hockey? It's been a long while since I've played checking hockey (since local leagues don't want us old men getting broken hips and suing them, I guess), but my instinct as a winger was always that if I'm pressing hard on the d-man at the point and I can take the hit just after he dumps the puck, I take it. Well, not in a no-checking league, obviously. But the rationale is that situation arises all the time, and the next time it does, that d-man is going to remember getting checked and dump the puck a little more hastily... perhaps right to one of my teammates. It's a "don't give them any time and space" thing to me, and makes perfect sense strategically.
So do the pro wingers pass up that hit more often than I used to because they take themselves further away from their breakout positions? They shouldn't be out of position defensively by taking the hit; the d-man is their guy. It's just not obvious what the tactical or strategic reason for passing it up might be. And I don't remember that hit being any more dangerous than hits along the end boards or in the crease. So unless it's just part of a cult that doesn't extend down to us slow fat beer league players, like the whole thing about not touching the Stanley Cup, I don't get it.
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pugilist13 wrote:Lol. Claude is just upset because he knows his club will be eliminated in the 1st round. You have to deflect your failures in another direction. Oh, and wasn't it Jokinen who was high sticked in the face by Krecji only to not be called.
Troy Loney wrote:I remember Therrien complaining about the Red Wings, the response to the Islanders' goonfest and the Penguin's brass coming out publicly against head shots in general..but I really don't recall any of the Julien or Tortoreall esque whine fests.
Shakes wrote:mikey287 wrote:I can't really explain this...it's not a dirty hit by definition, but that's not a hit you want to make a habit of really, it's not quite right so to speak but it's not wrong...I don't know, it's tough to explain over text and I don't know the intricacies of other sports to make a comparison unfortunately...
It's not worth Julien going to the media to talk about it, I'll say that much...it's not level of bad...but it's one of those hits that the players don't really like, don't really respect...
But this isn't a heinous crime or anything, but on a play like that, it's somewhat frowned upon to go a little low there...it's not the time and place for that hit selection...
This is essentially what Brick said on NESN. He never called it dirty or a penalty but said that guys expect shoulder to shoulder in that situation, which is why the Bs were pissed.
Big who cares for me. The Cooke we've seen the last few games is the one I want to see going forward.
Pavel Bure wrote:Wtf is he complaining about. That's a clean legal hit.
TheHammer24 wrote:Players simply cannot protect themselves.
TheHammer24 wrote:I agree with Mikey's initial sentiment. This new "reverse hit" or I guess I would say "unorthodox" hit insofar as it's not shoulder to shoulder is going to hurt people. Neal has done the "reverse hit" to a few players and shaken them. He also got injured on a reverse hit. Cooke came in and went butt-to-thigh and shook McQuaid. I agree it's not against the rules, but it might be soon if it remains persistently used. Players simply cannot protect themselves.
Pavel Bure wrote:TheHammer24 wrote:I agree with Mikey's initial sentiment. This new "reverse hit" or I guess I would say "unorthodox" hit insofar as it's not shoulder to shoulder is going to hurt people. Neal has done the "reverse hit" to a few players and shaken them. He also got injured on a reverse hit. Cooke came in and went butt-to-thigh and shook McQuaid. I agree it's not against the rules, but it might be soon if it remains persistently used. Players simply cannot protect themselves.
The hip check has been in the game forever and it is meant to shake people. It's not something used all the time cause its hard to connect with. It's not like he submarines him and flipped the guy, he just adjusted his point if contact and the guy didn't react correctly.
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