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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:36 pm

Rocco wrote:Is it possible to hold a different viewpoint without it being considered hate?


No, of course not. Everyone who disagrees with me will be incarcerated and re-educated.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:39 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:Is it possible to hold a different viewpoint without it being considered hate?


No, of course not. Everyone who disagrees with me will be incarcerated and re-educated.


As if it weren't clear you were German...
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby count2infinity on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:39 pm

:shock:
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Willie Kool on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:39 pm

Rocco wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:To use his own professed belief against him:
God wrote:Judge not, lest you be judged


Sure, though the line after that is "go forth and sin no more."

Which is also great advice for Broussard to follow...
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:39 pm

count2infinity wrote::shock:
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:41 pm

Rocco wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:Is it possible to hold a different viewpoint without it being considered hate?


No, of course not. Everyone who disagrees with me will be incarcerated and re-educated.


As if it weren't clear you were German...


Nice. What kind of response did you expect for such a dumb question?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:44 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:Is it possible to hold a different viewpoint without it being considered hate?


No, of course not. Everyone who disagrees with me will be incarcerated and re-educated.


As if it weren't clear you were German...


Nice. What kind of response did you expect for such a dumb question?


You teed me up for it. Felt like I had to take it.

Seeing as how any sort of opposing viewpoint is deemed hatred on some level, I thought I could ask if it's possible to disagree without hate. Guess I was wrong.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby count2infinity on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:45 pm

The terrorists hate our freedom, so they don't agree with our freedom?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:46 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Willie Kool wrote:To use his own professed belief against him:
God wrote:Judge not, lest you be judged


Sure, though the line after that is "go forth and sin no more."

Which is also great advice for Broussard to follow...


He could have certainly done without saying Collins isn't a Christian.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby FallenHero96 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:50 pm

Gaucho wrote:
shafnutz05 wrote: I don't think Broussard said anything wrong at all.



"As a Christian, I don't agree with homosexuality. I think it's a sin," said Broussard. "There are a lot of Christians in the NBA, and just because they don't agree with that lifestyle, they don't want to be called bigoted and intolerant."

Not sure what else Broussard wants to be called then. And he sure as hell isn't the representative of all Christians, a lot of whom will probably disagree with him on this.


Yeah that isn't representative of all Christians. Most of them pick and choose what parts of the religion they feel like believing in.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby count2infinity on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:51 pm

By the way... Glenn Burke was openly gay to his teammates and team owner during his professional career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Burke
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby FallenHero96 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:53 pm

count2infinity wrote:By the way... Glenn Burke was openly gay to his teammates and team owner during his professional career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Burke


I am sure CNN will get right on that with the next lead story.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:53 pm

Rocco wrote:
Seeing as how any sort of opposing viewpoint is deemed hatred on some level,


By me? Not at all. I thought I made it pretty clear where I draw the line: at genetic determinants. Everything else is fair game.

And yes, I guess I did tee you up.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:54 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Seeing as how any sort of opposing viewpoint is deemed hatred on some level,


By me? Not at all. I thought I made it pretty clear where I draw the line: at genetic determinants. Everything else is fair game.

And yes, I guess I did tee you up.


Fair enough. And we can agree that Robben is worth hating. Peace offering?
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Gaucho on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:58 pm

Rocco wrote:
Gaucho wrote:
Rocco wrote:
Seeing as how any sort of opposing viewpoint is deemed hatred on some level,


By me? Not at all. I thought I made it pretty clear where I draw the line: at genetic determinants. Everything else is fair game.

And yes, I guess I did tee you up.


Fair enough. And we can agree that Robben is worth hating. Peace offering?


:thumb:
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby obhave on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:59 pm

stopper40 wrote:http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/espns-chris-broussard-calls-homosexuality-448377

:face:


Found out this guy went to Oberlin. How on earth did he get through four years at Oberlin? :shock: I think he goes very far in saying he is not a Christian. Based on that segment on video, he is saying anyone who has had premarital sex, cheated, is gay, has sinned is not a Christian.

I don't care that he doesn't agree with my lifestyle. He is free to believe that, as long as he doesn't treat me any differently because of it. As long as I am not a second-class citizen.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby BigMcK on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:00 pm

Wondering if this closet at some point means just a place to hang a jacket and store Christmas gifts.

It seems the media is fueling this issue into something it isnt. The news wasn't that a person cured cancer, rather declared sexual preferrence. In simple context, it means more to the minority than majority.

Good for his happiness today. Took guts to "come out" in his field of employment. Not an easy move.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Willie Kool on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:01 pm

Rocco wrote:He could have certainly done without saying Collins isn't a Christian.

And don't forget he included adulterers and fornicators as well in the 'I wouldn't consider them Christian' category.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Willie Kool on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:02 pm

And just saw what obhave posted. :thumb:
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby Rocco on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:03 pm

Willie Kool wrote:
Rocco wrote:He could have certainly done without saying Collins isn't a Christian.

And don't forget he included adulterers and fornicators as well in the 'I wouldn't consider them Christian' category.


Agreed, though I was mainly focusing on his comments related to Collins.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby obhave on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:12 pm

BigMcK wrote:Wondering if this closet at some point means just a place to hang a jacket and store Christmas gifts.

It seems the media is fueling this issue into something it isnt. The news wasn't that a person cured cancer, rather declared sexual preferrence. In simple context, it means more to the minority than majority.

Good for his happiness today. Took guts to "come out" in his field of employment. Not an easy move.


Its really important for that minority. Stories like this are vital to the young LGBT community. For a young athletes, these stories can be very inspiring. When it doesn't become a big deal, when kids in high school can be "out" and on a sports team we will finally be in a good place. Many in this thread say "I don't care if you are gay or not" and that is wonderful! But on most sports teams, the atmosphere is just not that way. It is extremely uncomfortable to change around people who don't know you are gay and not be able to come out to them. You are unsure if you come out to them if that will make it even more uncomfortable.

I really am very happy for him. Coming out is both the scariest and happiest of days.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:14 pm

obhave wrote:Many in this thread say "I don't care if you are gay or not" and that is wonderful!



In some cases, that is code language for "This makes me really uncomfortable, but I realize that it is socially unacceptable for me to express that, so I'll pretend to go along."
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby doublem on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:16 pm

it's a pretty big deal. no, not that someone is gay but that they openly came out in pro sports. you know the place where athletes say ewwww,why isn't he with those pretty girls(MW) and this nonsense about Christians/ religion saying it's not ok, didn't that jesus guy they love so much say to love everyone all the time. sure, you are entitled to your opinion but don't act like being gay is the same as someone saying they don't like when people are speaking against gay rights issues or anything, that's not what tolerance is. we should not be okay with someone being discriminated against.
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:18 pm

columbia wrote:
obhave wrote:Many in this thread say "I don't care if you are gay or not" and that is wonderful!


In some cases, that is code language for "This makes me really uncomfortable, but I realize that it is socially unacceptable for me to express that, so I'll pretend to go along."


Or, "Does this not jive with my own personal religious beliefs? No, it doesn't. But I also understand that it is only one aspect of that person, and I judge a person based on their overarching being and how good of a person they are. I am a Christian and I sway from the "straight path" at times, so how I can I judge someone that seems like a great person but follows a lifestyle that doesn't jive with what I strive to believe in?"
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Re: NBA player comes out

Postby columbia on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:19 pm

Hey, if you want to rationalize the bigotry of others, have at it.
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