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Godric wrote:RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM THE APEX FAN. I AM THE PERFECT FAN. I REACT RATIONALLY TO EVERYTHING I AM DIVINELY ORDAINED AS THE GREATEST FAN. I APPRECIATE THE TEAM MORE THAN ONE. EVERYONE ELSE IS EITHER A RAGING HOMER OR A MANIC PANIC'R
slappybrown wrote:Godric wrote:RAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM THE APEX FAN. I AM THE PERFECT FAN. I REACT RATIONALLY TO EVERYTHING I AM DIVINELY ORDAINED AS THE GREATEST FAN. I APPRECIATE THE TEAM MORE THAN ONE. EVERYONE ELSE IS EITHER A RAGING HOMER OR A MANIC PANIC'R
You are a disaster, you know that right?
slappybrown wrote:Close but not quick enough on the edit genius.
bhaw wrote:slappybrown wrote:They've repeatedly "adjusted" their approach throughout the season depending on need and opponent. "Change the approach stupid Dan!" is the new, less mellifluous "SHOOT IT" or "HIT SOMEONE!"
So... please explain why this is happening for 5 straight periods:
1. Over-pursuit: the Isles are using this against us. When they enter our zone or are controlling it in our end, the Pens are chasing hard. The Islander players are letting the play come to them then passing to open ice, where they have guys waiting. This is where their zone control is stemming from. Pens need to hit their assignments, battle for the puck and move it out.
2. The Isles are playing a lot from the side of our net. Over 50% of the goals this series have been set up or scored from this area. Pens haven't adjusted and are letting them control it in this area. This is very similar to how the Flyers beat us, so I'm sure the Islanders are using tape and seeing if we are still soft along the goal line to set up and shoot. We are, and they are scoring from here.
"adjust" is short hand for not noticing what the other team is doing and changing your game plan to it. I even did someone like you favor of saying what I mean. But if you feel the need to dumb stuff down, go ahead. I was very clear in what I meant and gave pretty obvious examples that were going on all game.
We could also talk about how the Pens are actually letting NY get to the puck first and hoping to poke it away. Just because he made sweeping adjustments in the regular season doesn't mean he has improved even one iota at making micro adjustments in a series or in a game.
But please, let's talk about how people post more instead of hockey.
slappybrown wrote:bhaw wrote:slappybrown wrote:They've repeatedly "adjusted" their approach throughout the season depending on need and opponent. "Change the approach stupid Dan!" is the new, less mellifluous "SHOOT IT" or "HIT SOMEONE!"
So... please explain why this is happening for 5 straight periods:
1. Over-pursuit: the Isles are using this against us. When they enter our zone or are controlling it in our end, the Pens are chasing hard. The Islander players are letting the play come to them then passing to open ice, where they have guys waiting. This is where their zone control is stemming from. Pens need to hit their assignments, battle for the puck and move it out.
2. The Isles are playing a lot from the side of our net. Over 50% of the goals this series have been set up or scored from this area. Pens haven't adjusted and are letting them control it in this area. This is very similar to how the Flyers beat us, so I'm sure the Islanders are using tape and seeing if we are still soft along the goal line to set up and shoot. We are, and they are scoring from here.
"adjust" is short hand for not noticing what the other team is doing and changing your game plan to it. I even did someone like you favor of saying what I mean. But if you feel the need to dumb stuff down, go ahead. I was very clear in what I meant and gave pretty obvious examples that were going on all game.
We could also talk about how the Pens are actually letting NY get to the puck first and hoping to poke it away. Just because he made sweeping adjustments in the regular season doesn't mean he has improved even one iota at making micro adjustments in a series or in a game.
But please, let's talk about how people post more instead of hockey.
I'm on my phone, but you certainly could be one of the ten percent that isn't reflexively saying "adjust". I didn't read the whole thread, but it's a pretty common refrain and in most cases silly IMO. Chill
Fire0nice228 wrote:tfrizz wrote:columbia wrote:Some people here for the sake of arguing will say hold the players accountable too. Whatever.
Maybe I should leave the Internet, if hockey players are no longer accountable for wins and losses.
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Bylsma is accountable for not making the proper adjustments, but the players still have to execute and that just isn't happening.
execute what? The wrong game plan? I could tell my army to charge that hill, and they could carry out my plan, but if my plan is crap and they get slaughtered by the gunners on the high ground, whose fault is it?
Hockey is an imperfect game. Players are gonna miss passes and shank it on wide open nets and even do something dumb like a no look drop pass at the blue line, coughcough, from time to time. But those arn't reallllllythe issue right now, and thats not "not executing" per say, IMO, and I believe the problems are more systematic.
Scott wrote:tfrizz wrote:columbia wrote:Some people here for the sake of arguing will say hold the players accountable too. Whatever.
Maybe I should leave the Internet, if hockey players are no longer accountable for wins and losses.
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Bylsma is accountable for not making the proper adjustments, but the players still have to execute and that just isn't happening.
this goes way beyond the game planning. You can be the greatest strategist in the world but if your message isn't getting to the players then it doesn't matter. Even though these players are adults they still all have different learning curves. If they aren't executing what you are saying then you are doing something wrong. You have to find out way they ARENT doing what you are teaching and change something so they do get it.
farnham16 wrote:The Pens are playing nearly identical to the way they played against the Flyers last playoffs. The only two differences are the Pens aren't head hunting and the Isles aren't as good as that Flyer team. This is a huge issue. How can they let themselves fall back into this again? You have to wonder if the Pens approach to playoff hockey just isn't working. That, plus the Pens are clearly very mentally fragile in the playoffs right now because of what happened last playoff.
pens_CT wrote:farnham16 wrote:The Pens are playing nearly identical to the way they played against the Flyers last playoffs. The only two differences are the Pens aren't head hunting and the Isles aren't as good as that Flyer team. This is a huge issue. How can they let themselves fall back into this again? You have to wonder if the Pens approach to playoff hockey just isn't working. That, plus the Pens are clearly very mentally fragile in the playoffs right now because of what happened last playoff.
One would have hoped instead of being mentally fragile after what happened last year, that they still be pi**ed and be determined not to let it happen again. Maybe instead of a coach they need a shrink?
pens_CT wrote:farnham16 wrote:The Pens are playing nearly identical to the way they played against the Flyers last playoffs. The only two differences are the Pens aren't head hunting and the Isles aren't as good as that Flyer team. This is a huge issue. How can they let themselves fall back into this again? You have to wonder if the Pens approach to playoff hockey just isn't working. That, plus the Pens are clearly very mentally fragile in the playoffs right now because of what happened last playoff.
One would have hoped instead of being mentally fragile after what happened last year, that they still be pi**ed and be determined not to let it happen again. Maybe instead of a coach they need a shrink?
Stick_Flex wrote:I really miss seeing Cooke throw his weight around. He is just so afraid of getting suspended. He used to be such a force in the playoffs.
Lt. Dish wrote:Stick_Flex wrote:I really miss seeing Cooke throw his weight around. He is just so afraid of getting suspended. He used to be such a force in the playoffs.
I thought he had a great game today, penalty notwithstanding.
I've decided that I'm going to stick with Pens in 5 for juju purposes. I'm decreeing they'll undergo a collective cranial sphinterectomy* on Tuesday with a 3-1 Pens workman-like road win in Game 3, and then the Pens close it out in a squeaker at the CEC on Thursday. It'll be difficult, it'll be ugly, it'll be frustrating, it'll be thisclose, but we'll be better for it going forward.
* the clinical term for head-from-arse extraction. The more you know...
Sarcastic wrote:pens_CT wrote:farnham16 wrote:The Pens are playing nearly identical to the way they played against the Flyers last playoffs. The only two differences are the Pens aren't head hunting and the Isles aren't as good as that Flyer team. This is a huge issue. How can they let themselves fall back into this again? You have to wonder if the Pens approach to playoff hockey just isn't working. That, plus the Pens are clearly very mentally fragile in the playoffs right now because of what happened last playoff.
One would have hoped instead of being mentally fragile after what happened last year, that they still be pi**ed and be determined not to let it happen again. Maybe instead of a coach they need a shrink?
I want the team to become better defensively because it seems there is so much talent here, they all just want to run around and score goals. That's on Bylsma, imo.
MRandall25 wrote:Scott wrote:tfrizz wrote:columbia wrote:Some people here for the sake of arguing will say hold the players accountable too. Whatever.
Maybe I should leave the Internet, if hockey players are no longer accountable for wins and losses.
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Bylsma is accountable for not making the proper adjustments, but the players still have to execute and that just isn't happening.
this goes way beyond the game planning. You can be the greatest strategist in the world but if your message isn't getting to the players then it doesn't matter. Even though these players are adults they still all have different learning curves. If they aren't executing what you are saying then you are doing something wrong. You have to find out way they ARENT doing what you are teaching and change something so they do get it.
That's BS.
How are these players, who were able to execute the system with one of Malkin or Crosby out, suddenly unable to?
That doesn't sound like the coach's problem, to me. You should be able to add someone like Crosby in there and keep the lineup running. Yet, here we are. How does one lineup play the system to a T, but can't when 1 player is added back into it?
Pens4Life wrote:Get Jokinen on 2nd line.. Adams centers 4th line,BB goes to RW.. We need more from 2nd line,not just playing time,.
Stick_Flex wrote:Pens4Life wrote:Get Jokinen on 2nd line.. Adams centers 4th line,BB goes to RW.. We need more from 2nd line,not just playing time,.
Yeah Malkin not being a threat is seriously hurting our zone time. We need that second line to come through. I'd like to see JJ - malkin - Neal. That line could do some serious damage.
Morrow and Sutter are not bringing energy to the 3rd line the way Staal and Kennedy did. That energy was contagious and spread onto following shifts. I'm starting to miss Staal.
MRandall25 wrote:Fire0nice228 wrote:DB always says the same thing.. 'we have to get to our game' over and over again. "we didnt get to our game enough" was his quote after game 2. Well dan thats kinda hard to do when the Islanders have the puck and are flying into your zone unopposed time after time after time. Banging their heads against a wall would be more productive than continuing to attempt to do what clearly isn't working. Its infuriating.
Sure DB bought a reprieve after many were calling for his head earlier this season after the slow start, but alot of that was due to and reverted back to the loss of control and refusal to adapt last post season. We're seeing it again now.
Of course he says that to the media.
He's not going to give up what they did wrong to the public.
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