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Pucks_and_Pols wrote:To me this is terrifying. Seems like they are giving the George Zimmerman's of the world a shotgun, some target practice, and a badge to go forth and wreak havoc. The more mall cops, neighborhood watchers, and "Armed Citizens Brigades" we have marching around our streets with firearms, the LESS safe I will feel.
doublem wrote:oh live a little bit. whats life without almost being shot.
shafnutz05 wrote:Pucks_and_Pols wrote:To me this is terrifying. Seems like they are giving the George Zimmerman's of the world a shotgun, some target practice, and a badge to go forth and wreak havoc. The more mall cops, neighborhood watchers, and "Armed Citizens Brigades" we have marching around our streets with firearms, the LESS safe I will feel.
Where are you getting this? The main drive of this group is to arm residents of high-crime cities. If I was stuck living in one of the many cesspools in Chicago, where the level of violent crime is beyond belief, you can bet I would probably want to be armed.
I don't see anything about "armed citizens brigades", neighborhood watchers, or any of the other alarmist stuff you are posting above. The primary drive of this campaign seems to be training folks on how to safely and effectively defend their home in high crime areas. What's wrong with that?
Pucks_and_Pols wrote:shafnutz05 wrote:Pucks_and_Pols wrote:To me this is terrifying. Seems like they are giving the George Zimmerman's of the world a shotgun, some target practice, and a badge to go forth and wreak havoc. The more mall cops, neighborhood watchers, and "Armed Citizens Brigades" we have marching around our streets with firearms, the LESS safe I will feel.
Where are you getting this? The main drive of this group is to arm residents of high-crime cities. If I was stuck living in one of the many cesspools in Chicago, where the level of violent crime is beyond belief, you can bet I would probably want to be armed.
I don't see anything about "armed citizens brigades", neighborhood watchers, or any of the other alarmist stuff you are posting above. The primary drive of this campaign seems to be training folks on how to safely and effectively defend their home in high crime areas. What's wrong with that?
Maybe it sounds counter-intuitive, but if “I was stuck living in one of the many cesspools in Chicago, where the level of violent crime is beyond belief” I would actually be much less inclined to arm myself.
Assuming I am not involved in any criminal enterprise myself, there would obviously be a chance that I could be shot in some mistaken identity or crossfire type situation. But I do not feel that having a gun of my own would increase my chances of surviving such an occurrence significantly. The other situation I could see violence happening to me would be a robbery of my person or my property. When being robbed at gunpoint, I would actually rather not get involved in a gunfight over whatever it is the person robbing me wants. No property of mine (basing this on what I currently own) would be worth me dying for. I think the odds of me being shot in the process of being robbed would go up significantly if both myself and the robber were armed. I would be increasing my odds of stopping him from getting what he wanted, but would also be increasing the odds of me getting shot. That is not a tradeoff I would be willing to make. Hell, I would put up a sign in my front yard, “take what you want, just don’t shoot me.” It certainly wouldn’t be an ideal way to live, but I would take it over the alternative.
Sarcastic wrote:http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/05/18072282-gun-rights-group-hopes-to-arm-chicago-other-major-us-cities
Gun rights group hopes to arm Chicago, other major U.S. cities
The Armed Citizen Project, a nonprofit group that arms residents living in high-crime cities, reportedly hopes to put shotguns in the hands of residents living in Chicago.
The group is currently arming residents in the Houston and Tuscon areas, but made headlines after the National Rifle Association’s convention in Houston this weekend when they announced hoped for expansion into more than 15 cities, including Chicago, according to DNAinfo.com.
The group’s mission is to arm law-abiding citizens and train them in safety, legal, and tactical measures, according to ACP’s website. All participants who to receive a weapon and take the training program will receive a shotgun, for free.
Pucks_and_Pols wrote:i saw on the news scroll bar tonight that the heritage foundation came up with an estimate that providing a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the country would cost taxpayers 6.3 trillion dollars.
that number seems beyond absurd to me, i'd like to see the math behind it, but all i got was the headline blurb.
Gaucho wrote:We are one year away from global riots according to complex systems theorists:
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/we-are-now-one-year-and-counting-from-global-riots-complex-systems-theorists-say--2
Pucks_and_Pols wrote:i saw on the news scroll bar tonight that the heritage foundation came up with an estimate that providing a pathway to citizenship for immigrants in the country would cost taxpayers 6.3 trillion dollars.
that number seems beyond absurd to me, i'd like to see the math behind it, but all i got was the headline blurb.
DelPen wrote:I'd like to see three numbers, 1) the cost of doing nothing, 2) the cost of the proposed plan and C) the cost of actively rounding up everyone here illegally and deporting.
Whichever one costs less go with it.
ExPatriatePen wrote:Gaucho wrote:We are one year away from global riots according to complex systems theorists:
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/we-are-now-one-year-and-counting-from-global-riots-complex-systems-theorists-say--2
Well, i'm not a 'prepper' but it doesn't seem horribly far fetched for me.
tifosi77 wrote:
Again, when these debates come up I feel compelled to clarify..... I am neither pro-illegal immigration nor anti-illegal immigration. I am, however, staunchly pro-being able to afford artichokes and strawberries, and going out to restaurants and staying in hotels every now and then.
tifosi77 wrote:ExPatriatePen wrote:Gaucho wrote:We are one year away from global riots according to complex systems theorists:
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/we-are-now-one-year-and-counting-from-global-riots-complex-systems-theorists-say--2
Well, i'm not a 'prepper' but it doesn't seem horribly far fetched for me.
To be perfectly honest, the biggest reason why I want a gun is because I'm more worried about SHTF scenarios than I am defending my home against a garden variety intruder. Given the fairly recent history of the area where I live, the danger of rioting and looting isn't really a madcap notion; the police HQ during the '92 riots was five blocks from my old apartment, and my current house is 2 miles from the epicenter of the '94 quake in Northridge.
ExPatriatePen wrote:I truly appreciate that you don't think you're 'pro-illegal immigration'. If you're properly reflecting yourself in your PDT posts though, you definitely *are* pro-illegal immigration.
PensFanInDC wrote:Seems to me from that article that America probably wont be affected by said riots. At least not directly.
Gaucho wrote:Ballard had it all figured out. Amazing.
columbia wrote:Vancouver is about to experience one, after SJ sweeps the Sedins.
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