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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:39 pm

There is a variety of issues with education right now, and one of the big ones is how people are trained to become teachers. It's not so much making it tougher to enter, it's making sure it's properly done. That's why the "real internship" (not student teaching, which is good, but far too short) is an important step. First, they get invaluable experience that they would never get in college. Second, and more importantly, they find out if it's really the right job for them. The number of teachers who quit within the first three years is quite high. Some type of bar exam, if properly done, would make sure that people actually want to teach before they enter their own classroom.

Just to add, I'd be happy to take whatever exam they institute... or better yet, they can come observe me teaching if they really want to properly evaluate.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Rylan on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:41 pm

I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:48 pm

Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:52 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


LOL, I found Rylans post to be a lot funnier than the obviously bitter, jealous post from another individual in a separate thread, but I guess that's only because Rylans post was just making fun of himself and wasn't a personal attack.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Tico Rick on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:11 pm

MWB wrote:There is a variety of issues with education right now, and one of the big ones is how people are trained to become teachers. It's not so much making it tougher to enter, it's making sure it's properly done. That's why the "real internship" (not student teaching, which is good, but far too short) is an important step. First, they get invaluable experience that they would never get in college. Second, and more importantly, they find out if it's really the right job for them. The number of teachers who quit within the first three years is quite high. Some type of bar exam, if properly done, would make sure that people actually want to teach before they enter their own classroom.

Just to add, I'd be happy to take whatever exam they institute... or better yet, they can come observe me teaching if they really want to properly evaluate.


Well said. I would add that the high dropout rate in the first three years is due to the fact that in many schools the inexperienced teachers often get the heaviest workload, often teaching the least motivated students (what a former colleague of mine called "the grunts"). This can be overwhelming for those who just haven't had the experience to develop their repertoire of teaching skills. And of course low pay doesn't help retention.

I always think it's funny when people claim that teaching is an easy profession because you're done at 3:30 and you have the summers off. If it's such an easy profession, why do so few people consider going into it?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Rylan on Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:59 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


No not really. But the real reason I decided against teaching is that its too stressful.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Tico Rick on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:19 pm

Rylan wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


No not really.

Rylan is my new favorite poster.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:24 pm

Rylan wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


No not really. But the real reason I decided against teaching is that its too stressful.


That's why I'm a frequent visitor to the beer thread.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:29 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:LOL, I found Rylans post to be a lot funnier than the obviously bitter, jealous post from another individual in a separate thread, but I guess that's only because Rylans post was just making fun of himself and wasn't a personal attack.


I clearly missed something :oops:
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:10 am

ExPatriatePen wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


LOL, I found Rylans post to be a lot funnier than the obviously bitter, jealous post from another individual in a separate thread, but I guess that's only because Rylans post was just making fun of himself and wasn't a personal attack.


i think i looked over there, many posters loling, here, only one. just saying.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:16 am

Rylan wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


No not really. But the real reason I decided against teaching is that its too stressful.


I get asked all the time about my move away from teaching, "Do you like what you're doing now better than teaching?" I always answer, "It's much more work, much less stress." Seems as though the two don't go together, but they do. When teaching I woke up and the first thing on my mind was, "I wonder what *insert trouble maker* is going to do today, I'm pretty sure I have everything together today, I think I got all those papers graded, did I set up everything for lab 4th period, I have an IEP meeting today I better read over that paperwork during lunch, there's a basketball game tonight my students would probably like it if i went, is there scholastic quiz practice this afternoon, etc etc." Now I just wake up and go to work with a list of what I should get done. If it gets done, awesome that's a great day. If half of it gets done, it's a good day. If barely any of it gets done, oh well I have tomorrow or the weekend. I work more hours now than I did as a teacher, but it certainly doesn't feel like it.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:18 am

count2infinity wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I considered teaching, but I couldn't get past the fact that high school girls would want in my pants and I didn't want the harassment. :pop:


do you even think before you post anymore? very disappoint.


LOL, I found Rylans post to be a lot funnier than the obviously bitter, jealous post from another individual in a separate thread, but I guess that's only because Rylans post was just making fun of himself and wasn't a personal attack.


i think i looked over there, many posters loling, here, only one. just saying.

Tico, Rylan, me... So all the cool ones then... :pop: :D
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 am

:lol: Tico, Rylan, EPP = Seth, Evan and Fogell from Superbad.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Fri May 10, 2013 3:34 pm

Sarcastic wrote:Did you guys read this? This is the profit business education system in U.S.. Very indicative of how things operate in the US, whether we're talking education or healthcare or whatever else. It's never about how to improve the country, it's all about how much money an owner can make.


Moving this over from the political thread. This is a major reason why a completely privatized education system would never work. Schools wouldn't look for the best ways to educate kids; they'd look for the ways to get the most kids to attend their school.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby canaan on Fri May 10, 2013 3:36 pm

...and how do you get parents to get kids to their school? a quality education, for one.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Fri May 10, 2013 3:40 pm

canaan wrote:...and how do you get parents to get kids to their school? a quality education, for one.


Does every restaurant serve quality food, or do some just put out what they know sells best?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby canaan on Fri May 10, 2013 3:42 pm

dunno. i just go to restaurants that have good reviews and know are delicious from personal experience.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Fri May 10, 2013 3:43 pm

Because you're smart. A lot of people don't make informed decisions about where to eat, much less where to send their kid to school.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby count2infinity on Thu May 23, 2013 9:25 am

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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu May 23, 2013 5:25 pm

This video really hits home this time of year when so much energy and focus is put into test preparation and review. Over the next week I won't see one of my science classes at all, strictly because of testing.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Sarcastic on Thu May 23, 2013 5:32 pm

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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Thu May 23, 2013 6:52 pm

Tough to say, as I don't know a whole lot about it. If schools are truly under-utilized, then I think you have to look at consolidating. However, it seems that some of that information are based on 30 kids per classroom, which is too high. There is a push in a lot of big cities to shut down "underperforming" schools. Those schools are generally the ones with a lot of kids who have uninvolved parents. Sending them to a different school will not have a positive effect on anyone.
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Mon May 27, 2013 8:56 pm

I'm so happy that I've been having to console my 9 year old nightly because she's so worried about how she'll do on two tests this week. Yay, testing!
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby Sarcastic on Tue May 28, 2013 12:13 am

http://now.msn.com/unpaid-student-loans-reach-all-time-high-in-us
http://rt.com/usa/record-high-us-student-debt-775/

Unpaid student loans reach all-time high in US

An all-time high number of student loans in the U.S. are late or unpaid, reports a presumably perturbed Department of Education. Given that almost a third of 20- to 24-year-olds are unemployed, that's not exactly surprising. But also given that unpaid student loans total $1 trillion right now, there's some reason for chagrin. That puts student loans in the No.2 spot of consumer debt, right after home mortgages. And a recent study from Fidelity found that 70 percent of the Class of 2013 is graduating with college-related debt, to the average tune of $35,200. Whew. So ... congrats, grads?
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Re: LGP Education thread

Postby MWB on Fri May 31, 2013 8:49 pm

Common Core was brought up in the political thread, but didn't want to big that down with this. A good column on CCSS:

http://dianeravitch.net/2013/05/31/lead ... mentation/
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