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Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby tfrizz on Sun May 12, 2013 4:20 pm

I was discussing this with a friend, who's a Sens fan. Craig Anderson spent 3 full seasons backing Vokoun in up Flrodai - that's 3 years of watching him, practicing with him, and analyzing his play. Is it possible that Craig Anderson can give the Sens players some insight into the biggest weaknesses in Vokoun's game? Should this be a concern?
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Gaucho on Sun May 12, 2013 4:23 pm

I don't think you get to keep any secrets in the league anyway. They all have video and analyze opponents ad nauseam.

Except DB, of course. He's clues, stubborn, and dumb.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby mikey287 on Sun May 12, 2013 4:23 pm

This kind of advanced scouting is done by many. That's why goalies like Roman Cechmanek have limited playoff success. When you really need to beat him, you figure it out.

There's a book on these guys out there, I'm not any more concerned with Andy knowing Vokoun's habits as I am with Vokoun knowing Andy's habits...
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby bse on Sun May 12, 2013 4:23 pm

What about the other way around?
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby KBone on Sun May 12, 2013 4:24 pm

Could Vokoun provide keys to beating Anderson?

I was discussing this with a friend, who's a Pens fan. Vokoun spent 3 full seasons with Anderson backing him up in Florida - that's 3 years of watching him, practicing with him, and analyzing his play. Is it possible that Vokoun can give the Pens players some insight into the biggest weaknesses in Anderson's game? Should this be well taken?

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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby tfrizz on Sun May 12, 2013 4:25 pm

mikey287 wrote:This kind of advanced scouting is done by many. That's why goalies like Roman Cechmanek have limited playoff success. When you really need to beat him, you figure it out.

There's a book on these guys out there, I'm not any more concerned with Andy knowing Vokoun's habits as I am with Vokoun knowing Andy's habits...


That's a good point.

bse wrote:What about the other way around?


I'm thinking Anderson has a much larger sample size of watching Vokoun play than vice versa. In his 3 seasons with Florida, he only played 53 games versus Vokoun's 172.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Sun May 12, 2013 4:36 pm

I would argue that after 30 or so games the sample size becomes quite meaningless. Anderson probably didn't learn much about TV after the 50th game he played so I expect it to be no different the other way around. I think it's interesting he was his backup though...adds a nice dynamic to the series.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby mikey287 on Sun May 12, 2013 4:42 pm

It's not about games...it's about time. Practices, discussions around the facility, sharing a goalie coach, etc. That's where you learn about your teammates.

Most of the time goalies aren't paying attention to the other goalie playing...they're doing other stuff (working the door, keeping internal statistics, etc.).
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby malkinshair on Sun May 12, 2013 7:41 pm

mikey287 wrote:This kind of advanced scouting is done by many. That's why goalies like Roman Cechmanek have limited playoff success. When you really need to beat him, you figure it out.

There's a book on these guys out there, I'm not any more concerned with Andy knowing Vokoun's habits as I am with Vokoun knowing Andy's habits...


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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby nocera on Sun May 12, 2013 8:16 pm

Get him moving left and right and shoot low.


That was easy.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby NashvilleCat on Sun May 12, 2013 8:39 pm

bse wrote:What about the other way around?

Shhhhhh, Not only can he not tell us anything but the other team's players never make plays, they only take advantage of our mistakes.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby thepittman on Sun May 12, 2013 11:58 pm

If we keep turning the puck over it won't matter
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby DocEmrick on Mon May 13, 2013 6:49 am

Yes he could.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon May 13, 2013 8:13 am

bse wrote:What about the other way around?
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Penspal on Mon May 13, 2013 8:21 am

Does Anderson have the book on MAF? IF, and I stress IF Vokoun craps the bed for any reason, you can be srue that HCDB will go to MAF chop/chop.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Mon May 13, 2013 9:37 am

It's a moot point, because we all know Fleury will start this series. :lol:
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby RxBandit66 on Mon May 13, 2013 10:32 am

If Anderson can provide keys to beating Vokoun, the folowing caveats would apply:

1. Would the offensively challenged Ottawa forwards actually be able to execute it?
2. Would Vokoun be able to provide keys to beating Anderson?

If both goalies do in fact have the proverbial "book" on each other, my money is on the Penguins' forwards being able to exploit the weakness to the extreme. One thing about this Penguin team, if the opposing goaltender has a known weakness, they will expose it almost at will.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby IanMoran on Mon May 13, 2013 1:26 pm

Did Vokoun ever have a problem with wraparounds? I swear Isles looked like they were trying to attempt it 20 times in game 6
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby thepittman on Mon May 13, 2013 1:29 pm

IanMoran wrote:Did Vokoun ever have a problem with wraparounds? I swear Isles looked like they were trying to attempt it 20 times in game 6

They know he is slow moving around the crease so I'm sure they were trying to take advantage of it.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby tfrizz on Mon May 13, 2013 1:30 pm

IanMoran wrote:Did Vokoun ever have a problem with wraparounds? I swear Isles looked like they were trying to attempt it 20 times in game 6


As far as I can remember, he's always been a bit weak laterally because of his unorthodox style. The Isles tried a lot of ways to take advantage of it, but missed the net with heavily regularity.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby iWonTheCup87 on Mon May 13, 2013 1:36 pm

no, theres nothing left that anyone doesnt already know plus just because you know someones weaknesses doesnt mean they will execute it properly.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby mikey287 on Mon May 13, 2013 1:59 pm

tfrizz wrote:
IanMoran wrote:Did Vokoun ever have a problem with wraparounds? I swear Isles looked like they were trying to attempt it 20 times in game 6


As far as I can remember, he's always been a bit weak laterally because of his unorthodox style. The Isles tried a lot of ways to take advantage of it, but missed the net with heavily regularity.


Was going to post this. When he drops in the way that he does, he gives up his leverage to get a strong push across...
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Shakes on Mon May 13, 2013 2:22 pm

Shelly Anderson ‏@pgshelly 9 May
Streit on Vokoun vs. Fleury con't: "...I think we’re going to keep the pucks a little bit lower [vs. Vokoun], get it in his feet."
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Shelly Anderson ‏@pgshelly 9 May
NYI Streit on Vokoun vs. Fleury: "A butterfly goalie like Fleury, they go down, so you want to shoot high.... con't


I thought this was interesting. Not that it was mind-blowing, just that he said it and not "oh, you know, we just have to get pucks on net and get him moving," etc.

I wonder if some of it was gamesmanship, but it tells you the "keep 'em guessing" thing has merit.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby tfrizz on Mon May 13, 2013 2:27 pm

Shakes wrote:
Shelly Anderson ‏@pgshelly 9 May
Streit on Vokoun vs. Fleury con't: "...I think we’re going to keep the pucks a little bit lower [vs. Vokoun], get it in his feet."
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Shelly Anderson ‏@pgshelly 9 May
NYI Streit on Vokoun vs. Fleury: "A butterfly goalie like Fleury, they go down, so you want to shoot high.... con't


I thought this was interesting. Not that it was mind-blowing, just that he said it and not "oh, you know, we just have to get pucks on net and get him moving," etc.

I wonder if some of it was gamesmanship, but it tells you the "keep 'em guessing" thing has merit.


It's hard to find a pair of goalies in the league more different than Fleury & Vokoun. Different styles, different strengths and weaknesses, different presences, even different catching hands! :lol:

It really does throw a wrench into a team's preparation when you switch them.
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Re: Could Anderson provide keys to beating Vokoun?

Postby Penspal on Mon May 13, 2013 3:10 pm

tfrizz wrote:It's hard to find a pair of goalies in the league more different than Fleury & Vokoun. Different styles, different strengths and weaknesses, different presences, even different catching hands! :lol:
It really does throw a wrench into a team's preparation when you switch them.


Hence... the secret that HCDB will reveal soon. The Pens are going to switch goalies every period! Yep, you heard it here first :slug:
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