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PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon May 13, 2013 4:05 pm

I dunno why but I hadn't heard about this story before. Convicted of first degree murder. Do not read if you are squeamish.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/ju ... t-gosnell/

The more interesting part of this story is apparently there were many complaints about this place, but philly never investigated because of ALLEGED pro-choice politics.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby skullman80 on Mon May 13, 2013 4:10 pm

Yeah this case got no publicity for some reason. Disgusting. Hope he gets death. Scum of the earth.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby Hockeynut! on Mon May 13, 2013 4:12 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:I dunno why but I hadn't heard about this story before. Convicted of first degree murder. Do not read if you are squeamish.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/ju ... t-gosnell/

The more interesting part of this story is apparently there were many complaints about this place, but philly never investigated because of ALLEGED pro-choice politics.


I think those allegations are pretty silly. He was never investigated because he was running his murder shack in one of the poorest, roughest parts of the city. No one cares about areas like that. If even just one or two of those complaints had happened in a rich suburb, it would have been an entirely different story.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby Dickie Dunn on Mon May 13, 2013 4:12 pm

Its pretty obvious why the case has received almost zero media attention.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon May 13, 2013 4:16 pm

Dickie Dunn wrote:Its pretty obvious why the case has received almost zero media attention.


Yeah if you could paint the worst case picture of what an abortion clinic would look like, it would be this.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon May 13, 2013 4:16 pm

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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby pfim on Mon May 13, 2013 4:17 pm

Heard about this a while ago, wish I wouldn't have read it again. What a monster.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon May 13, 2013 4:17 pm

Hockeynut! wrote:
AlexPKeaton wrote:I dunno why but I hadn't heard about this story before. Convicted of first degree murder. Do not read if you are squeamish.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/ju ... t-gosnell/

The more interesting part of this story is apparently there were many complaints about this place, but philly never investigated because of ALLEGED pro-choice politics.


I think those allegations are pretty silly. He was never investigated because he was running his murder shack in one of the poorest, roughest parts of the city. No one cares about areas like that. If even just one or two of those complaints had happened in a rich suburb, it would have been an entirely different story.


You are probably right, but never underestimate corrupt philly politics. Almost as bad as Chicago.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby mac5155 on Mon May 13, 2013 4:45 pm

Holy crap.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby AlexPKeaton on Mon May 13, 2013 4:59 pm

!!!! at the grand jury report !!!!

Pennsylvania is not a third-world country. There were several oversight agencies
that stumbled upon and should have shut down Kermit Gosnell long ago. But none of them did...

The first line of defense was the Pennsylvania Department of Health. The department's job is to audit hospitals and outpatient medical facilities, like Gosnell's, to make sure that they follow the rules and provide safe care. The department had contact with the Women's Medical Society dating back to 1979, when it first issued approval to open an abortion clinic. It did not conduct another site review until 1989, ten years later. Numerous violations were already apparent, but Gosnell got a pass when he promised to fix them. Site reviews in 1992 and 1993 also noted various violations, but again failed to ensure they were corrected.

But at least the department had been doing something up to that point, however ineffectual. After 1993, even that pro form a effort came to an end. Not because of administrative ennui, although there had been plenty. Instead, the Pennsylvania Department of Health abruptly decided, for political reasons, to stop inspecting abortion clinics at all... The only exception to this live-and-let-die policy was supposed to be for complaints dumped directly on the department's doorstep. Those, at least, would be investigated. Except that there were complaints about Gosnell, repeatedly. Several different attorneys, representing women injured by Gosnell, contacted the department. A doctor from Children's Hospital of Philadelphia hand-delivered a complaint, advising the department that numerous patients he had referred for abortions came back from Gosnell with the same venereal disease. The medical examiner of Delaware County informed the department that Gosnell had performed an illegal abortion on a 14-year-old girl carrying a 30-week-old baby. And the department received official notice that a woman named Karnamaya Mongar had died at Gosnell's hands.

Yet not one of these alarm bells -- not even Mrs. Mongar's death -- prompted the department to look at Gosnell or the Women's Medical Society... But even this total abdication by the Department of Health might not have been fatal. Another agency with authority in the health field, the Pennsylvania Department of State, could have stopped Gosnell single-handedly.

The Department of State, through its Board of Medicine, licenses and oversees individual physicians... Almost a decade ago, a former employee of Gosnell presented the Board of Medicine with a complaint that laid out the whole scope of his operation: the unclean, unsterile conditions; the unlicensed workers; the unsupervised sedation; the underage abortion patients; even the over-prescribing of pain pills with high resale value on the street. The department assigned an investigator, whose investigation consisted primarily of an offsite interview with Gosnell. The investigator never inspected the facility, questioned other employees, or reviewed any records. Department attorneys chose to accept this incomplete investigation, and dismissed the complaint as unconfirmed.

Shortly thereafter the department received an even more disturbing report -- about a woman, years before Karnamaya Mongar, who died of sepsis after Gosnell perforated her uterus. The woman was 22 years old. A civil suit against Gosnell was settled for almost a million dollars, and the insurance company forwarded the information to the department. That report should have been all the confirmation needed for the complaint from the former employee that was already in the department's possession. Instead, the department attorneys dismissed this complaint too... The same thing happened at least twice more: the department received complaints about lawsuits against Gosnell, but dismissed them as meaningless...

Philadelphia health department employees regularly visited the Women's Medical Society to retrieve blood samples for testing purposes, but never noticed, or more likely never bothered to report, that anything was amiss. Another employee inspected the clinic in response to a complaint that dead fetuses were being stored in paper bags in the employees' lunch refrigerator. The inspection confirmed numerous violations... But no follow-up was ever done... A health department representative also came to the clinic as part of a citywide vaccination program. She promptly discovered that Gosnell was scamming the program; she was the only employee, city or state, who actually tried to do something about the appalling things she saw there. By asking questions and poking around, she was able to file detailed reports identifying many of the most egregious elements of Gosnell's practice. It should have been enough to stop him. But instead her reports went into a black hole, weeks before Karnamaya Mongar walked into the Woman's Medical Society.

...And it wasn't just government agencies that did nothing. The Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania and its subsidiary, Penn Presbyterian Medical Center, are in the same neighborhood as Gosnell's office. State law requires hospitals to report complications from abortions. A decade ago, a Gosnell patient died at HUP after a botched abortion, and the hospital apparently filed the necessary report. But the victims kept coming in. At least three other Gosnell patients were brought to Penn facilities for emergency surgery; emergency room personnel said they have treated many others as well. And at least one additional woman was hospitalized there after Gosnell had begun a flagrantly illegal abortion of a 29-week-old fetus. Yet, other than the one initial report, Penn could find not a single case in which it complied with its legal duty to alert authorities to the danger. Not even when a second woman turned up virtually dead...

So too with the National Abortion Federation.

NAF is an association of abortion providers that upholds the strict est health and legal standards for its members. Gosnell, bizarrely, applied for admission shortly after Karnamaya Mongar's death. Despite his various efforts to fool her, the evaluator from NAF readily noted that records were not properly kept, that risks were not explained, that patients were not monitored, that equipment was not available, that anesthesia was misused. It was the worst abortion clinic she had ever inspected. Of course, she rejected Gosnell's application. She just never told anyone in authority about all the horrible, dangerous things she had seen.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby newarenanow on Mon May 13, 2013 5:00 pm

This guy is sick.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby tifosi77 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:09 pm

I'm not sure I understand the complaints about media coverage..... every news outlet I follow has been covering this fairly regularly.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby doublem on Mon May 13, 2013 5:10 pm

it was covered
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby viva la ben on Mon May 13, 2013 5:13 pm

Yeah, this story received more coverage than that Arias murder trial here in pittsburgh.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby skullman80 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:13 pm

I don't think it was covered as much as it should have been to be honest. I know the Boston Bombings took place, but this seemed to take a backseat to everything.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby skullman80 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:14 pm

viva la ben wrote:Yeah, this story received more coverage than that Arias murder trial here in pittsburgh.


The Arias murder trial had a entire network dedicated to covering it pretty much 24/7 from beginning to end.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby viva la ben on Mon May 13, 2013 5:15 pm

News to me
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby doublem on Mon May 13, 2013 5:16 pm

this happened years ago though. how do you determine how much coverage something gets.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby viva la ben on Mon May 13, 2013 5:17 pm

Its because the lamestream media is rooted in satanic communism
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby tifosi77 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:23 pm

Ah, that's it. Alligators in the sewers.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby shafnutz05 on Mon May 13, 2013 5:59 pm

One of the most horrific things I have ever read. I"ll leave it at that.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon May 13, 2013 6:24 pm

doublem wrote:this happened years ago though. how do you determine how much coverage something gets.


Lets say he as killing schizophrenics or others with mental issues. Would the same amount of coverage be appropriate?
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby PensFanInDC on Mon May 13, 2013 6:25 pm

shafnutz05 wrote:One of the most horrific things I have ever read. I"ll leave it at that.


This would be why I think it was under covered. Take abortion out of it. This man murdered freshly BORN humans.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby Gaucho on Mon May 13, 2013 6:30 pm

I don't think being pro-choice is relevant in this matter. I'll leave it at that.
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Re: PA Abortion doctor convicted of homicide

Postby doublem on Mon May 13, 2013 6:35 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:
doublem wrote:this happened years ago though. how do you determine how much coverage something gets.


Lets say he as killing schizophrenics or others with mental issues. Would the same amount of coverage be appropriate?


is it a competition? if your point is that I would be more upset if the mentally ill were killed or mistreated that happens everyday. the mentally ill are way way behind on attention, certainly not on the level of something like this. that wasn't even my point, my point was this is something that has happened over a long period of time and should get more attention than random "celebrity trails" like you have in the U.S and let's not pretend this is a one time event.
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