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AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
tfrizz wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
As they should be. Despite posting a .951 sv% in 2 starts against them this year, Fleury only has a career .898 sv% against the Sens.
In comparison, Vokoun recorded a .971 sv% in 1 start against them this year and has a career .902 sv% against them.
sil wrote:tfrizz wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
As they should be. Despite posting a .951 sv% in 2 starts against them this year, Fleury only has a career .898 sv% against the Sens.
In comparison, Vokoun recorded a .971 sv% in 1 start against them this year and has a career .902 sv% against them.
.898 vs. .902
Hmmmmmmm.
RPKJr429 wrote:I was in the "I want Fleury back" camp, but playing the hot(ter) hand makes sense here. Its better to have Fleury come in and play the savior so we only have one perceived head case instead of two.
tfrizz wrote:sil wrote:tfrizz wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
As they should be. Despite posting a .951 sv% in 2 starts against them this year, Fleury only has a career .898 sv% against the Sens.
In comparison, Vokoun recorded a .971 sv% in 1 start against them this year and has a career .902 sv% against them.
.898 vs. .902
Hmmmmmmm.
Yeah, a real pick your poison situation. That amounts to Vokoun stopping 4 more shots than Fleury out of every 1000 faced, or 1 in every 250.
slappybrown wrote:tfrizz wrote:sil wrote:tfrizz wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
As they should be. Despite posting a .951 sv% in 2 starts against them this year, Fleury only has a career .898 sv% against the Sens.
In comparison, Vokoun recorded a .971 sv% in 1 start against them this year and has a career .902 sv% against them.
.898 vs. .902
Hmmmmmmm.
Yeah, a real pick your poison situation. That amounts to Vokoun stopping 4 more shots than Fleury out of every 1000 faced, or 1 in every 250.
I'm not really sure what relevance some of the career numbers have to the current situation. What Vokoun did against the Sens in 2006 in NSH, for example.
SoupOrSam wrote:However, when the dude has to think... it's pure farts.
Crankshaft wrote:Regardless of who is in net...just win, bay-bay!
slappybrown wrote:tfrizz wrote:sil wrote:tfrizz wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:Reading sen fan reactions, they are mad that Fleury is not starting haha.
As they should be. Despite posting a .951 sv% in 2 starts against them this year, Fleury only has a career .898 sv% against the Sens.
In comparison, Vokoun recorded a .971 sv% in 1 start against them this year and has a career .902 sv% against them.
.898 vs. .902
Hmmmmmmm.
Yeah, a real pick your poison situation. That amounts to Vokoun stopping 4 more shots than Fleury out of every 1000 faced, or 1 in every 250. :?
I'm not really sure what relevance some of the career numbers have to the current situation. What Vokoun did against the Sens in 2006 in NSH, for example.
Rocco wrote:Scott wrote:Rocco wrote:
The problem is finding someone better than him for the regular season. At some point the Pens need to look for his successor. I imagine Shero thought he could wait to do that for a few more years but he may have to speed up the timetable.
Why? Isn't it possible to run with Fleury for the regular season and possibly have him platoon the playoffs with another goalie.
It wouldn't be the first time a professional team did something out of the ordinary. Chris Osgood in reverse.
Vancouver's been trying that the last 2 years and it hasn't worked. While there have been teams that have had to make goalie changes in the postseason and won, no one in recent memory has had a true platoon and won a Cup. Detroit switched to Osgood in 2008 and never looked back. Anaheim had to use Bryzgalov when Giguere missed time. The 1991 Pens had to play Pietrangelo when Barrasso got hurt. Other than that you have teams basically riding one goalie. While it may be possible to do what you are saying, no one has actually done it before. The problem with a platoon is there's always the chance you'll guess wrong.
columbia wrote:Watching him three games in a row, really hit's it home, as far as how slow Vokoun can be.
littlemoonboot wrote:You know it's bad when people are predicting the series outcome depending on whether or not Flower's playing and opposing fans hope he's the one in goal and are disappointed when it's Vokoun (who isn't just your ordinary backup.) Of course the players are going to have Flower's back in the face of public scrutiny and rightfully know they shoulder some of the blame, but I wonder how they really feel when meltdowns like Game 4 happen. I will never forget that game ever as a Pens fan, because I think that's the night the scales tipped for how I feel about Fleury and started finding myself agreeing with his critics. And that's hard when you have a lot of good memories with him but the bad ones start to outnumber the good. You still have to love him as a player and a teammate, but in the end you have to seriously question where he's at as a franchise goalie and whether or not the writing started appearing on the wall when they brought in Vokoun
owtahear wrote:Everyone likes Marc Andre Fleury as a person. He is the anti Tom Barrasso. However......the dirty little secret is....these playoff meltdowns aren't new for him. I went back to his JR career and in Willkes Barre Scranton, and MAF only had ONE season where is GAA and Save Percentage is higher in the post season than it is in the regular season. And some of those differences are significant. For most goalies, because the post season is usually much tighter played, their save percentage and GAA both improve. MAF's does the opposite. He is a head case. He is a talent, but outside of that brilliance in Game's 6 and 7 of the 2009 SCF, he melts under pressure because he overplays everything.
The only thing that could save him is a sports psychologist. But these playoff performances are not nothing new unfortunately for MAF.
DropEmJayBird wrote:Sat not far from Vokoun last night.
Two things happen for Vokoun success.
1) Bad bounces need to go the other way.
2) His defense does what it did last night in front of him.
Forget the first goal - as we see when teams get a chance to throw it to the front of the net from the corners, bad things usually happen. When the senators got shots in down low, Vokoun usually just went straight down to the ice. It was a miracle the puck wasn't put in - and by miracle I mean the penguins defense flattened everyone within 10 feet of the crease.
I think the Senators will have a tough time solving Vokoun if the Pens defense keeps things to the outside and flattens everyone during a scrum in front.
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