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Postby columbia on Thu May 16, 2013 3:15 pm

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Postby BigMcK on Thu May 16, 2013 3:26 pm

For $160.000 you and a friend can get 'lost' while hiking and the state of CA will not ask you for a penny back. Some history, neither of these hikers were equipped with clothing or supplies to be hiking, and it was widely reported they both went in the hills to get high. Negligence on their part with no financial penalty. Also, one of the searchers fell from a cliff and was in a coma close to death. Something isn't right.

"Orange County won't bill missing hikers for $160,000 search"

"Some supervisors and residents suggested that the pair be billed after authorities arrested Cendoya, saying they found methamphetamine while searching his car, which was parked near the trail. He faces one felony count of possession of a controlled substance."

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-rescued-hikers-search-cost-20130515,0,1113046.story
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Thu May 16, 2013 3:44 pm

Shyster's crew went 501(c)3:
http://boingboing.net/2013/05/14/my-lit ... ssful.html

Perhaps the IRS should look into this?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Thu May 16, 2013 3:50 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Whether you're willing to admit it or not, you're not getting the majority of that tax revenue from Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, you're getting it from the middle class. Hard working people who are the backbone of our society.

That's factually inaccurate. The latest year that statistics are available for is 2010, and in that year the wealthiest 10% of taxpayers contributed 70% of tax revenues collected by the IRS. (Representing an increase of about 15% in ~30 years.) Which actually indicates that they're getting kind of a sweet deal, since that same subset of uber-rich controls somewhere between 80% and 90% of the wealth in the country.


I don't trust your statistics... (No personal offense)

No way in hades do the top 10% of INDIVIDUALS pay 70% of ALL taxes. Corporate tax revenues alone would surely make up more a significant chunk.

Plus you're probaly only speaking of Federal Individual Income Tax, Which is only one part of your total tax burden.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Thu May 16, 2013 3:51 pm

Shyster is a Brony?
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Thu May 16, 2013 5:14 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:Whether you're willing to admit it or not, you're not getting the majority of that tax revenue from Warren Buffett and Bill Gates, you're getting it from the middle class. Hard working people who are the backbone of our society.

That's factually inaccurate. The latest year that statistics are available for is 2010, and in that year the wealthiest 10% of taxpayers contributed 70% of tax revenues collected by the IRS. (Representing an increase of about 15% in ~30 years.) Which actually indicates that they're getting kind of a sweet deal, since that same subset of uber-rich controls somewhere between 80% and 90% of the wealth in the country.


I don't trust your statistics... (No personal offense)

No way in hades do the top 10% of INDIVIDUALS pay 70% of ALL taxes. Corporate tax revenues alone would surely make up more a significant chunk.

Plus you're probaly only speaking of Federal Individual Income Tax, Which is only one part of your total tax burden.

The rich pay majority of U.S. income taxes
Many people think that the rich are able to weasel their way out of taxes, but they actually pay an overwhelming majority of the taxes in the United States.

What's more, their share of the tax burden is increasing.

The top 10 percent of taxpayers paid over 70% of the total amount collected in federal income taxes in 2010, the latest year figures are available, according to the Tax Foundation, a think tank that advocates for lower taxes. That's up from 55% in 1986.

The remaining 90% bore just under 30% of the tax burden. And 47% of all Americans pay hardly anything at all -- a fact that got Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney into political hot water last year.

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Note the attribution: Tax Foundation (conservative) and the IRS (the people who actually have the raw data)

The story goes on:
When factoring in state and local taxes, the top 10% pay just under half the tab. And when calculating tax burden as a percent of income, the tax code is even less progressive. The top 10% paid an average of 30% of their income in local, state, and federal taxes in 2011, said McIntyre. That's not much different than the 25% percent paid by the middle class.


And to address your concern regarding total tax burden, vis-a-vis corporate income tax, according to the U.S. Census Bureau (pdf), corporate income taxes accounted for about $10 billion. Individual income taxes accounted for $75 billion. Overall, corporate income tax only accounts for about 3% of federal revenues, and 4-4.5% of state revenues.

Those numbers are specific to Q4 2012, but the general ratios have been fairly consistent for a number of years. (You can look at the historical data on that site going back to the year 2000.

If I'm misreading the data, my apologies.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby doublem on Thu May 16, 2013 5:24 pm

ah, former poor people that now hate current poor people. weird.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Thu May 16, 2013 5:45 pm

Rylan wrote:
Gaucho wrote:Welp, I have yet to get a $100,000 medical bill.


It is no good I tell ya.

Stay out of debt while young they tell ya, hopefully you don't get hurt in America then...


Not going to happen to me.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Gaucho on Thu May 16, 2013 5:46 pm

doublem wrote:ah, former poor people that now hate current poor people. weird.


Not weird at all. Slaves do not want freedom; they want slaves of their own.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Shyster on Thu May 16, 2013 6:14 pm

Factorial wrote:Shyster is a Brony?

My favorite character out of the Mane Six would be Fluttershy, although I think Princess Luna is my favorite character overall.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby doublem on Thu May 16, 2013 7:31 pm

hey does anyone drive 28, where those homeless people stand, wait those homeless vets stand. oh what a country serve your country come back all messed up and end up homeless. home of the free.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Factorial on Fri May 17, 2013 6:45 am

Shyster wrote:
Factorial wrote:Shyster is a Brony?

My favorite character out of the Mane Six would be Fluttershy, although I think Princess Luna is my favorite character overall.



Not lumping you in with these guys but here's some interviews with some attendees of Bronycon:

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Fri May 17, 2013 7:39 am

Men - who presumably live with their mother - who are turned on by images of animals, that were designed for pre-pubescent girls?
I don't the see a problem....I mean, what could go wrong there?
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Postby DelPen on Fri May 17, 2013 8:22 am

columbia wrote:Image


Remind me to use chocolate sprinkles or mini M&M's next time I reload some shotgun shells.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Willie Kool on Fri May 17, 2013 10:37 am

Pope Francis Denounces 'Cult Of Money'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/17/pope-francis-attacks-cult-money

"We have created new idols," he said in a speech in the Vatican. "The worship of the golden calf of old has found a new and heartless image in the cult of money and the dictatorship of an economy which is faceless and lacking any truly humane goal."
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Postby shafnutz05 on Fri May 17, 2013 10:43 am

Unbelievable.

I just watched Jeffrey Miller (acting IRS commissioner) and some other hack testify before Congress that there is no indication that there was any targeting of specific applicants based on their political affiliation. Rather, it was based on "political activity".

Incredibly brazen, but certainly to be expected. But wow.

Oh, and...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/irs-official-in-charge-during-tea-party-targeting-now-runs-health-care-office/

The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.

Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today.

Her successor, Joseph Grant, is taking the fall for misdeeds at the scandal-plagued unit between 2010 and 2012. During at least part of that time, Grant served as deputy commissioner of the tax-exempt unit.


Just outstanding.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby tifosi77 on Fri May 17, 2013 11:38 am

This IRS thing is a storm in a tea cup. What they did was entirely appropriate, but how they did was problematic and people should deservedly lose their jobs over it. After all, in the years under scrutiny not a single conservative group was denied their application. The approval process took so long in some cases that many groups simply withdrew their applications; and that's the extent of the 'scandal'. The only group that actually had an application rejected during this period was a progressive organization.

And so far there is absolutely no indication - nor any hint - that this activity extended beyond the IRS. However, because it's Obama and taxes - two pet peeves of conservatives - the outrage over this will last far longer than it merits. You've already got some knuckleheads asking for the release of 20-odd thousand pages of additional documents.... these nitwits don't even read the legislation they're voting on, but I'm supposed to believe they pour over emails? Oh wait, they might make the Kenyan socialist Muslim look bad, so maybe they will.

However, Republicans have inadvertently provided Obama with a tidy firewall that buffers him from any real exposure to this. First, the guy who was the boss of the IRS when all this was happening was a Bush appointee. Second, the Republicans in the Senate have delayed voting on Obama's nominee for several years now, so there is a leadership vacuum at the top of the organization as they have been working under an 'interim' director.

This is more less than nothing than Benghazi, which we've learned - thanks to Rep. Issa's partisan doggedness - is little more than a p!ssing match between high-level bureaucrats at State and CIA.

The real scandal is the AP phone tapping story. And that's as much the fault of the bi-partisan Congress as it is the president, for it was they who granted this authority to the executive branch at the altar of almighty National Security. Now they are outraged - outraged, I tells ya! - that the executive has wielded the power granted to him by the legislature. That this kind of power was even authorized in the first place is the scandal.
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Postby King Sid the Great 87 on Fri May 17, 2013 11:50 am

tifosi77 wrote:This IRS thing is a storm in a tea cup. What they did was entirely appropriate, but how they did was problematic and people should deservedly lose their jobs over it. After all, in the years under scrutiny not a single conservative group was denied their application. The approval process took so long in some cases that many groups simply withdrew their applications; and that's the extent of the 'scandal'. The only group that actually had an application rejected during this period was a progressive organization.


In the run up to a national election, making the requirements for getting approval so unnecessarily cumbersome that many groups (leaning towards one party) withdrew their applications is not a problem? Letting files gather dust for a year before getting back to the applicants is not a problem?

Surely you jest.

One Ohio group was asked to write a synopsis of a 350-page book its members had studied. Groups were given two weeks to reply.

The Richmond (Va.) Tea Party, which filed for tax-exempt status at the end of 2009, complied with IRS requests for additional information when the agency responded to its petition in September 2012.
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Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 17, 2013 12:02 pm

tifosi77 wrote: Oh wait, they might make the Kenyan socialist Muslim look bad, so maybe they will.


Stopped reading here... Normally you're a poster that I respect and take seriously (Even if I often disagree with you), but comments like this... well, whatever.
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Postby Kaizer on Fri May 17, 2013 12:16 pm

ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote: Oh wait, they might make the Kenyan socialist Muslim look bad, so maybe they will.


Stopped reading here... Normally you're a poster that I respect and take seriously (Even if I often disagree with you), but comments like this... well, whatever.


as if the tea party folks havent made themselves look ridiculous for years because of these things. their outrage over every little thing is drowning itself out.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby ExPatriatePen on Fri May 17, 2013 12:20 pm

Kaizer wrote:
ExPatriatePen wrote:
tifosi77 wrote: Oh wait, they might make the Kenyan socialist Muslim look bad, so maybe they will.


Stopped reading here... Normally you're a poster that I respect and take seriously (Even if I often disagree with you), but comments like this... well, whatever.


as if the tea party folks havent made themselves look ridiculous for years because of these things. their outrage over every little thing is drowning itself out.

The old "I know we're bad, but they're worse" defense.
Lowest common denominator politics... You gotta love it.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Kaizer on Fri May 17, 2013 12:21 pm

i dont have a "we" in politics, but if i did, i sure as hell wouldnt listen to those people.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby columbia on Fri May 17, 2013 12:22 pm

Not sure that there's a "we" for either tifosi or Kaizer.
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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Fri May 17, 2013 1:12 pm

I agree with tif, the real scandal is the AP spying. I understand they wanted to find out how the Yemen info got leaked, but it makes me uncomfortable they are willing to spy like that. They needed to find a different approach somehow.

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Re: LGP Political Discussion Thread - Latest news at top

Postby Sarcastic on Fri May 17, 2013 1:15 pm

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/how-tell-if-irs-eyeing-you-1C9967365

You consider yourself a law abiding citizen, and you are not starting a nonprofit organization with conservative ties.

Even so, you may be a candidate for a tax audit—and you may have no clue what you have done to warrant the attention of the IRS.

The nation's tax collectors have long made it a practice to look for discrepancies, omissions and suspicious activity to uncover tax evasion and fraud. And lately, the IRS has expanded its monitoring to include social media.

The agency now keeps an eye out for online discussions about nonpayment or underpayment of taxes, and even sale prices of goods on sites like eBay that don't match what taxpayers report.

:scared:
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