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farnham16 wrote:
Every single guy in the NHL has been playing his entire life. Its impossible to make it to the NHL and not know the game well. Impossible.
Scott wrote:farnham16 wrote:
Every single guy in the NHL has been playing his entire life. Its impossible to make it to the NHL and not know the game well. Impossible.
That is not what you said whatsoever. You are saying that since they made it to the NHL then there is no possible way they can be dumb. Please note I didn't use the dumb word, someone else did, but be that as it may they certainly can make the NHL with some lack luster thinking.
Yes they have been playing a long time, but does that mean they are the sharpest skate in the locker room because they have been playing a long time. When everyone else in the NHL has been playing for a long time...then you just made my argument for me. Unless you are saying the NHL is full of robots.
every player has been playing a long time. They all have different learning curves and they all have a different intelligence level.
There are some people in this world that no matter how much they try to learn, how much they are taught, can only get so far.
farnham16 wrote:And there is not ONE player in the NHL that has low hockey IQ. Not one single player. You do not get to that level by not knowing the game well. Its impossible.
The low hockey IQ is the dumbest argument ever.
bhaw wrote:Scott wrote:How did those top two lines do? How many nice chances did that top line have tonight? Again, zero and zero
I'm not sure how to respond if this was your take of the game. Honestly, I don't know what to say. Pens pretty much dominated Ottawa in terms of chances. Maybe you missed Dupuis drilling the post. Maybe you missed a couple great plays by Malkin and his line. I can't respond if this is what you took away. It would be pointless for us to debate at this point.
Staggy wrote:farnham16 wrote:And there is not ONE player in the NHL that has low hockey IQ. Not one single player. You do not get to that level by not knowing the game well. Its impossible.
The low hockey IQ is the dumbest argument ever.
Sure, just like no player in the NHL actually sucks. But I will still say that players like Cam Barker suck and it will be true. It's a general term versus their peers in the league, of course if you put any of these players in a pickup game they'd be by far the smartest hockey player.
I don't agree with his point at all, but criticizing aspects of a player's game is meant comparatively against other players in the league, not compared to you and me.
Scott wrote:bhaw wrote:Scott wrote:How did those top two lines do? How many nice chances did that top line have tonight? Again, zero and zero
I'm not sure how to respond if this was your take of the game. Honestly, I don't know what to say. Pens pretty much dominated Ottawa in terms of chances. Maybe you missed Dupuis drilling the post. Maybe you missed a couple great plays by Malkin and his line. I can't respond if this is what you took away. It would be pointless for us to debate at this point.
yes Dupuis hit the post. He made an amazing shot against the grain that was one inch too wide. How far away was that shot? Very high slot. I already commented on Malkin's 13 deke move attempt..so you obviously don't read to completion.
farnham16 wrote:Staggy wrote:farnham16 wrote:And there is not ONE player in the NHL that has low hockey IQ. Not one single player. You do not get to that level by not knowing the game well. Its impossible.
The low hockey IQ is the dumbest argument ever.
Sure, just like no player in the NHL actually sucks. But I will still say that players like Cam Barker suck and it will be true. It's a general term versus their peers in the league, of course if you put any of these players in a pickup game they'd be by far the smartest hockey player.
I don't agree with his point at all, but criticizing aspects of a player's game is meant comparatively against other players in the league, not compared to you and me.
I agree with that. Only that's not what Murphy dump is saying. He is saying Malkin and Letang don't know the game well. His agrument has never been about certain players knowing the game better than others. At least he has never said that is what its about.
Staggy wrote:farnham16 wrote:Staggy wrote:farnham16 wrote:And there is not ONE player in the NHL that has low hockey IQ. Not one single player. You do not get to that level by not knowing the game well. Its impossible.
The low hockey IQ is the dumbest argument ever.
Sure, just like no player in the NHL actually sucks. But I will still say that players like Cam Barker suck and it will be true. It's a general term versus their peers in the league, of course if you put any of these players in a pickup game they'd be by far the smartest hockey player.
I don't agree with his point at all, but criticizing aspects of a player's game is meant comparatively against other players in the league, not compared to you and me.
I agree with that. Only that's not what Murphy dump is saying. He is saying Malkin and Letang don't know the game well. His agrument has never been about certain players knowing the game better than others. At least he has never said that is what its about.
Yeah agreed, I have him foed and don't read a single thing he says. I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page there.
farnham16 wrote:
Dude, that is not what I said at all and not the argument I am making.
My opinion is that no player that makes it to the NHL has low hockey IQ. That does not mean at all that NHL players don't do dumb things on the ice sometimes. Of course they do. But that doesn't mean they don't know the game when they make mistakes. Thats what Mr Dump has been trying to say is the case with Malkin and Letang.
Again, not one player in the NHL has low hockey IQ.
bhaw wrote:
I don't read all the GDT, so the last comment is correct. I can only comment on what I see.
So clearly they didn't have zero good chances if Dupuis hit the post on a shot. Which means they are already better than you credit them for.
Scott wrote: We must have watched two different games
murphydump55 wrote:People will soon realize that Malkin is a great hockey player, just not a a really smart one. He retaliates in stupid ways, he has a history of taking a ton of horrible penalties (although he's been good lately), he has boneheaded turnovers, and has a tendency to float in the defensive zone at times. He can be a beast in the defensive zone, and he can be a huge liability. Consistency in the defensive zone would go a long way for him.
Letang is much the same. Bad temper, takes bad penalties, gets rattled and drawn into stuff just like Malkin does. He has horrible turnovers, piss poor defensive play at times, can't make decisions on the PP, hits too many shin pads still, misses the net too often still, and can't read and react very well throughout the game. Tons of talent, amazing skill and skater, just not high up there in the hockey sense department.
Now everyone can freak out and defend them, but more and more people are starting to realize this. I'm not trying to convince you, I know I won't. You'll eventually start to see it too. I love having these guys, they just have to be smarter.
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