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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby llipgh2 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:53 am

KG wrote:Agreed Skull. Db's comments come off weak. Without Vokoun DB and the Pens are probably losing in the first round. Without Vokoun DB is already fired most likely.

He is taking what Vokoun did for this team for granted. Seeing those comments want him gone even more.


Seriously. I'm sure, as someone mentioned, there was an ulterior motive for the Fleury comments. Not quite sure what, because anyone that's seen him play lately isn't buying this.

But it was completely unnecessary to totally dismiss what Vokoun did. A more tactful coach could have pumped Fleury's value while complimenting Vokoun. DB completely mishandled the situation.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby TheGhostofGoulet on Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:27 am

llipgh2 wrote:DB completely mishandled the situation.


Seems to be the common theme with everything he does post regular season.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby Crankshaft on Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:43 am

I would think that Vokoun understands the situation and is not at all insulted. I was more taken back by how people were insulted by the comments. It's all PR spun BS.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby MarioLives on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:14 pm

llipgh2 wrote:
KG wrote:Agreed Skull. Db's comments come off weak. Without Vokoun DB and the Pens are probably losing in the first round. Without Vokoun DB is already fired most likely.

He is taking what Vokoun did for this team for granted. Seeing those comments want him gone even more.


Seriously. I'm sure, as someone mentioned, there was an ulterior motive for the Fleury comments. Not quite sure what, because anyone that's seen him play lately isn't buying this.

But it was completely unnecessary to totally dismiss what Vokoun did. A more tactful coach could have pumped Fleury's value while complimenting Vokoun. DB completely mishandled the situation.


One reason I will disagree with this is because Bylsma made it clear with his comments after game 2 and 3 that he was impressed by Vokoun's play. He made it clear during the series that Vokoun was playing very well. Just because he said Fleury is his starter next year does not mean he was disrespecting Vokoun.

I think now, we are just looking for reasons to bash the coach.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby pens_CT on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:27 pm

MarioLives wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:
KG wrote:Agreed Skull. Db's comments come off weak. Without Vokoun DB and the Pens are probably losing in the first round. Without Vokoun DB is already fired most likely.

He is taking what Vokoun did for this team for granted. Seeing those comments want him gone even more.


Seriously. I'm sure, as someone mentioned, there was an ulterior motive for the Fleury comments. Not quite sure what, because anyone that's seen him play lately isn't buying this.

But it was completely unnecessary to totally dismiss what Vokoun did. A more tactful coach could have pumped Fleury's value while complimenting Vokoun. DB completely mishandled the situation.


One reason I will disagree with this is because Bylsma made it clear with his comments after game 2 and 3 that he was impressed by Vokoun's play. He made it clear during the series that Vokoun was playing very well. Just because he said Fleury is his starter next year does not mean he was disrespecting Vokoun.

I think now, we are just looking for reasons to bash the coach.


I agree with you, it could have been any comment made by HCDB and people would have an issue with it because the majority think he should have been cannned immediately after the post-game press conference on Friday. Does anybody here seriously believe that Vokoun at age 37 is capable of playing 60 games next season and then added to that, additional games involved in a playoff run? IF MAF isn't the answer then they need to get someone in here who is. Vokoun understands this more so than the people here who think he was slighted somehow by the comments.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:30 pm

If he's the franchise goalie, they might as well just forfeit in the playoffs
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:31 pm

Why would Vokoun need to play 60 games next season?
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby pens_CT on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:35 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:Why would Vokoun need to play 60 games next season?

How many games does a number one goalie play on most teams? Usually in the 55 to 60 range.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby PAPLine on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:41 pm

MarioLives wrote:
llipgh2 wrote:
KG wrote:Agreed Skull. Db's comments come off weak. Without Vokoun DB and the Pens are probably losing in the first round. Without Vokoun DB is already fired most likely.

He is taking what Vokoun did for this team for granted. Seeing those comments want him gone even more.


Seriously. I'm sure, as someone mentioned, there was an ulterior motive for the Fleury comments. Not quite sure what, because anyone that's seen him play lately isn't buying this.

But it was completely unnecessary to totally dismiss what Vokoun did. A more tactful coach could have pumped Fleury's value while complimenting Vokoun. DB completely mishandled the situation.


One reason I will disagree with this is because Bylsma made it clear with his comments after game 2 and 3 that he was impressed by Vokoun's play. He made it clear during the series that Vokoun was playing very well. Just because he said Fleury is his starter next year does not mean he was disrespecting Vokoun.

I think now, we are just looking for reasons to bash the coach.

Note he is saying MAF is his starter, he just doesn't say where.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby Henry Hank on Mon Jun 10, 2013 12:57 pm

Personally, I'm guessing Fleury's issues go beyond the coach. It's a nice excuse but I don't see a coaching change magically fixing him.

I do think this is probably another sign that they aren't going to move away from Fleury. Meloche is the scapegoat for now, they'll give Fleury one more chance and if he fails them again next year they'll do the buyout or a trade.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby PAPLine on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:00 pm

pens_CT wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:Why would Vokoun need to play 60 games next season?

How many games does a number one goalie play on most teams? Usually in the 55 to 60 range.

This year Vokoun started 17 games, and was ready and fresh when he came into the playoffs. If we can keep Vokoun aroung 45 to 50 next year and give Theissen and Zatkoff some starts during the regular season to see if they will be the eventual number one. That should keep Vokoun fresh enough to do ther play-off next year.
In the alternative, we could play Fleury durinbg the regular season, and bring in Vokoun in for the play-offs. THat seemed to work this year.
And we probably don't need a goaltending coach for Fleury as much as we need a psychiatrist.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:09 pm

PAPLine wrote:And we probably don't need a goaltending coach for Fleury as much as we need a psychiatrist.


A good goaltending coach is both.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby columbia on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:11 pm

A stable goalie only needs one of them.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby tfrizz on Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:18 pm

columbia wrote:A stable goalie only needs one of them.


As I've said before, the key thing missing in Fleury's game is basic fundamentals - angles/positioning, rebound control, etc. These are what a goalie needs to fall back on when their confidence takes a hit, and is what separates the consistently great goalies, like Lundqvist, from the high/low types like Fleury.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:44 pm

tfrizz wrote:
columbia wrote:A stable goalie only needs one of them.


As I've said before, the key thing missing in Fleury's game is basic fundamentals - angles/positioning, rebound control, etc. These are what a goalie needs to fall back on when their confidence takes a hit, and is what separates the consistently great goalies, like Lundqvist, from the high/low types like Fleury.


He will be 29 years old next season. If he's missing "fundamentals" at this stage then slap a CEC hat on him and have him hand out hot dogs at intermissions.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:53 pm

DontToewsMeBro wrote:
tfrizz wrote:
columbia wrote:A stable goalie only needs one of them.


As I've said before, the key thing missing in Fleury's game is basic fundamentals - angles/positioning, rebound control, etc. These are what a goalie needs to fall back on when their confidence takes a hit, and is what separates the consistently great goalies, like Lundqvist, from the high/low types like Fleury.


He will be 29 years old next season. If he's missing "fundamentals" at this stage then slap a CEC hat on him and have him hand out hot dogs at intermissions.


So it's up to Dan Bylsma to teach fundamentals to the players who have been playing for years, but a goalie coach can't?
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:56 pm

What were the fundamentals that the Pens skaters were having problems with?
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:59 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:What were the fundamentals that the Pens skaters were having problems with?


Passing, etc.

It's been said previously (perhaps in chat), but if the HC is responsiblefor maintaining fundamental, then why shouldn't a goalie coach be expected to do the same with a goalie?
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby shmenguin on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:06 pm

a HC is responsible for strategy and motivation. not for teaching guys how to avoid shooting the puck in their own net.
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Re: Giles Meloche Resigns

Postby DontToewsMeBro on Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:08 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:What were the fundamentals that the Pens skaters were having problems with?


Passing, etc.

It's been said previously (perhaps in chat), but if the HC is responsiblefor maintaining fundamental, then why shouldn't a goalie coach be expected to do the same with a goalie?


A goalie that is continuously off his angles is like a defenseman that can't skate backwards. There's a continuum between a goaltender's "basic fundamentals" and the problems that plagued the rest of the team.
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