topshelf66 wrote:There is still a lot of continuity. Bowman retired and now you have Babcock, who is a great coach with 1 cup win.
GMRS seemed to echo some of my original post in his comments today.
topshelf66 wrote:There will be a lot of agonizing once it is learned the we are keep HCDB at least though his current contract.
In 2008 we got to a cup final at least a year ahead of schedule, in 2009 we cashed that in. A critisism of our organiztion at the time was that we had "tanked" a few seasons in order to stockpile high draft picks. This was a Florida Marlins type of model. Make a run, fire sale, stockplie picks, make another run a few years later.
I believe that the current management wants to build a sustainable program like they have built in Detroit. This was their 22nd consecutive year in the playoffs. During the 22 years, they have not been eliminated in the first round in any two consecutive years. You may not like them, but that is domn impressive.
Once you are getting to the playoffs consistenly, there is going to be disappointment much more often than parades. Detroit won 4 cups in those 22 years which is the gold standard for success in the post Edmonton era. This means there were 18 years of fan lament at the end of the season.
I am not giving the coaches and players a pass for what has happened over the past two seasons. We have to believe that we can get better moving forward. The Boston series was a disaster. The 95-96 Detroit team has 131 points and lost to an expansion team in the first round. You can't burn down the village.
I also believe that managment believes continuity at Head Coach and GM are key elements to sustaining this type of excellence. They have people who they believe in at both positions and they will be given a much longer leash than many believe that they deserve.
Management has lived up to its end of the bargain and they deserve some respect from the fanbase. They have invested in people, facilities, fan relations and the community at large. As a sponsor who works with many individuals employed by the Penguins, I can say that they quality of people they have is top notch in all areas.
1. The deadline deals were fantasy hockey. Murray helped with some physicality. Morrow helped some with grit. Iginila was a failure 5 on 5. Jokenin was an insurance policy for Sid.
2. Get to our game has to go. We are not the Alcindor led UCLA Bruins. Someone will figure out how to beat you. More evidence of that than we care to admit.
3. Fleury has not developed at all. Work on puck handling, composure when the puck is behind your net. He has been content to go on talent alone. Shame on the team for letting him.
4. Letang has progressed in his play but has never been held accountable for mental errors. You can almost feel that he is chasing statistics to be in the conversations with Green and Erikson etc....
Staying: Coach, 29, 71, 58, 36.
Leaving: Meloche, 9, 24, 48, 12, 10, 3.
Advancing: 47, 19, 41.
Regressing: 44, 5, 2.
New: Harrington, wing for 71, wings for 16.
wondermoose wrote:Sorry, but there is no way Fleury stays. Shero and Bylsma can say it all they want right now, but come the draft he will be gone by buyout or trade. Don't forget Hartzell wants to play here and, make no mistake, he is an NHL goalie in the making.
Also, I think Dupuis stays because he wants to and maybe Cooke too. If they want to model Detroit, then they know you have a few role players that you simply never allow to leave (Draper, Maltby, Holmstrom, etc). Cooke is a maybe because he can't be as effective as before the suspensions. He was our Lapierre, our Marchand, our Rinaldo, but those days are gone. We really, really, really need that type of energy player that just annoys the piss out of everyone on the other team. Cooke just can't do that anymore. That said, he's very valuable in the PK and third/fourth line role anyways. I'd rather replace TK or Adams with that type of player before Cooke.
Also, I'll start the "Bring Back Scuderi" train here. He's like the Dark Knight; we need him to come back and save Gotham.
topshelf66 wrote:I consider only firing 2 coaches over 22 years continuity.
There are other considerations of course. Buffalo had a lot of continuity without much to show in the playoffs. They did get a new facility however and most of the Reiger/Ruff era was at a cap-free spending disadvantage.
I think that as disappointing as the last two seasons have been, they believe in their coach.
A lot of us hypothesize about what went wrong the past two seasons. I have to trust that Mario has a better idea than we do. If he believes in this direction, then I do as well.
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