murphydump55 wrote:Yes he will lack experience. But he is a bigger version of Letang, and is American so less prone to stupidity, and much cheaper than Letang for a long time.
Just curious why being American makes him less prone to stupidity? LOL
This should be interesting, please enlighten.
columbia wrote:For those looking for a defenseman in return in a (potential) Letang trade....your realistic suggestions?
(Keep in mind that I don't have much interest in trading him for a high pick; the easiest/most realistic return would probably center around a young F.)
longtimefan wrote:The entry level contracts aren't what they are being made out to be. They aren't cheap. Nail Yakupov was number one last season. Performed well, but wasn't a star immediately. His cap hit is #3.775 M for the first three years. Then he's an RFA. If he pans out big, he's looking at $6 or $7 million on his next deal. It doesn't seem practical to let a kid learn on the job at that kind of cap hit. Not when the cap is the problem.
http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/
AlexPKeaton wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Yes he will lack experience. But he is a bigger version of Letang, and is American so less prone to stupidity, and much cheaper than Letang for a long time.
Just curious why being American makes him less prone to stupidity? LOL
This should be interesting, please enlighten.
Because in Canada, the plebians play hockey, just like in the US the plebians play football. Therefore there is a much higher percentage of pleb canadian hockey players than american.
mikey287 wrote:thehockeyguru wrote:owtahear wrote:DontToewsMeBro wrote:16.75M on Perry and Geztlaf.
18.2M on Crosby and Malkin.
I'd say we got pretty good value there, wouldn't you?
Thank you. This puts it in much better perspective.
I'll take Datsyuk and Zetterberg @ 12.7M with the Wings system.
Go be a Wings fan then...weren't you one of the people that said (s)he didn't want to be a Pens fan anymore...? Get goin...
Maybe your new team will sign "defensive ace" Mike Ribeiro for you...
Gaucho wrote:AlexPKeaton wrote:murphydump55 wrote:Yes he will lack experience. But he is a bigger version of Letang, and is American so less prone to stupidity, and much cheaper than Letang for a long time.
Just curious why being American makes him less prone to stupidity? LOL
This should be interesting, please enlighten.
Because in Canada, the plebians play hockey, just like in the US the plebians play football. Therefore there is a much higher percentage of pleb canadian hockey players than american.
I assume you mean plebeians.
thehockeyguru wrote:mikey287 wrote:thehockeyguru wrote:owtahear wrote:DontToewsMeBro wrote:16.75M on Perry and Geztlaf.
18.2M on Crosby and Malkin.
I'd say we got pretty good value there, wouldn't you?
Thank you. This puts it in much better perspective.
I'll take Datsyuk and Zetterberg @ 12.7M with the Wings system.
Go be a Wings fan then...weren't you one of the people that said (s)he didn't want to be a Pens fan anymore...? Get goin...
Maybe your new team will sign "defensive ace" Mike Ribeiro for you...
Ribero wouldn't be a good fit on the Wings. You wouldn't see a guy like Lindstrom asking for 9.5M a year even though he deserved it. For a majority of his career he made 7M and only in his last year did he get 7.9M. I think Geno making 9.5M is really going to handicap the Pens, and as a betting man I'd wager that the Wings win a cup before the Pens do.
mikey287 wrote:longtimefan wrote:The entry level contracts aren't what they are being made out to be. They aren't cheap. Nail Yakupov was number one last season. Performed well, but wasn't a star immediately. His cap hit is #3.775 M for the first three years. Then he's an RFA. If he pans out big, he's looking at $6 or $7 million on his next deal. It doesn't seem practical to let a kid learn on the job at that kind of cap hit. Not when the cap is the problem.
http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/
Entry-Level System Cap.
Salary cap on entry-level deals is $925,000 through 2022. Bonuses elevate cap hit but they include many things that may be virtually un-winnable (Hart, Conn Smythe, etc.). Bonuses count towards the Upper Limit until they are mathematically impossible to capture (see: Flyers sending down Brayden Schenn for the first game of the year a couple years ago because of an "82 games played bonus"). Teams allowed to exceed Upper Limit by 7.5% if it is bonuses that will put them "over".
Qualifying offer for next deal would only be 105% of $925,000 (max) or $971,250 to retain rights. Qualifying offer would not be 100% of $3,775,000 to retain exclusive rights.
In short, very effective means of cheap labor for contending teams.
mikey287 wrote:Bruins hat...?
He's one of them!
mikey287 wrote:If you're going to be a Red Wings fan, you might as well spell one of the franchise's best ever players correctly.
longtimefan wrote:mikey287 wrote:longtimefan wrote:The entry level contracts aren't what they are being made out to be. They aren't cheap. Nail Yakupov was number one last season. Performed well, but wasn't a star immediately. His cap hit is #3.775 M for the first three years. Then he's an RFA. If he pans out big, he's looking at $6 or $7 million on his next deal. It doesn't seem practical to let a kid learn on the job at that kind of cap hit. Not when the cap is the problem.
http://www.capgeek.com/oilers/
Entry-Level System Cap.
Salary cap on entry-level deals is $925,000 through 2022. Bonuses elevate cap hit but they include many things that may be virtually un-winnable (Hart, Conn Smythe, etc.). Bonuses count towards the Upper Limit until they are mathematically impossible to capture (see: Flyers sending down Brayden Schenn for the first game of the year a couple years ago because of an "82 games played bonus"). Teams allowed to exceed Upper Limit by 7.5% if it is bonuses that will put them "over".
Qualifying offer for next deal would only be 105% of $925,000 (max) or $971,250 to retain rights. Qualifying offer would not be 100% of $3,775,000 to retain exclusive rights.
In short, very effective means of cheap labor for contending teams.
Ok. Cheaper certainly for the 3 years. That makes sense. I understand the point of the qualifying offer, but the players who perform will never sign for that. Sure, if they haven't broken out they will. Isn't this at the same stage you see large deals handed out to the likes of Doughty, Hall, Eberle, Lucic, etc? Cheap labor for the first three years, but could be back in a tough position in three years. In fact, you hope to be in that position, as it would mean that the player will have broken out.
Crankshaft wrote:This team has an identity. It's solidified for the next 8 years.
mikey287 wrote:Good players won't sign for cheap, no, certainly not. I'm not sure what the next question/qualm is, respectfully. Load up on veteran talent, fill in holes with young, cheap players. When young, cheap players start becoming older, more expensive players the veteran talent has moved on or retired. Natural ebb and flow of a consistent contender. Starts with a foundation in good scouting/drafting.
murphydump55 wrote:Yes he will lack experience. But he is a bigger version of Letang, and is American so less prone to stupidity, and much cheaper than Letang for a long time.
Just curious why being American makes him less prone to stupidity? LOL
This should be interesting, please enlighten.
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