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Factorial wrote:The trial is not over but it does appear to be heading to not guilty. Can he instead be found guilty of manslaughter? Does anyone think that his actions (playing junior Police Officer) didn't lead/contribute to a death of another person?
Factorial wrote:The trial is not over but it does appear to be heading to not guilty. Can he instead be found guilty of manslaughter? Does anyone think that his actions (playing junior Police Officer) didn't lead/contribute to a death of another person?
PensFanInDC wrote:Factorial wrote:The trial is not over but it does appear to be heading to not guilty. Can he instead be found guilty of manslaughter? Does anyone think that his actions (playing junior Police Officer) didn't lead/contribute to a death of another person?
They certainly did.
ExPatriatePen wrote:Froggy wrote:you just get the feeling that the whole national powder keg is gonna blow after this one.
It's OJ all over again. (with respect to the division along racial lines)
I'd hope inner city police departments everywhere are training for this eventuality NOW.
count2infinity wrote:lol, i'm listening in for a few seconds here. they have a medical expert on the stand going over the injuries to zimmerman by the picture taken the night of the killing. the defense attorney is trying over and over and over again to get her to say that Martin struck him numerous times, and she keeps saying, "it's possible."
newarenanow wrote:Can someone give me a bullet point summary of this trial? I was out of town last week on vacation and didn't pay any attention.
Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
shafnutz05 wrote:But he WAS a neighborhood patrol officer (we can debate the merits of that job on another day).
columbia wrote:Zimmerman Prosecutor Angela Corey Criminally Indicted By Citizens' Grand Jury For Allegedly Falsifying Arrest Warrant And Complaint
http://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/prne ... 02/CL41488
DelPen wrote:If a reasonable person would reasonably fear they could suffer great bodily harm or death it's justified.
tifosi77 wrote:Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
The police didn't actually have any pictures of 'beat up' Zimmerman. The only photos taken at the scene were shot by a neighbor, the cops never got a picture of Zimmerman's wounds before they were cleaned up by the EMT.
MRandall25 wrote:tifosi77 wrote:Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
The police didn't actually have any pictures of 'beat up' Zimmerman. The only photos taken at the scene were shot by a neighbor, the cops never got a picture of Zimmerman's wounds before they were cleaned up by the EMT.
Doesn't that completely go against normal procedure?
MRandall25 wrote:tifosi77 wrote:Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
The police didn't actually have any pictures of 'beat up' Zimmerman. The only photos taken at the scene were shot by a neighbor, the cops never got a picture of Zimmerman's wounds before they were cleaned up by the EMT.
Doesn't that completely go against normal procedure?
tifosi77 wrote:MRandall25 wrote:tifosi77 wrote:Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
The police didn't actually have any pictures of 'beat up' Zimmerman. The only photos taken at the scene were shot by a neighbor, the cops never got a picture of Zimmerman's wounds before they were cleaned up by the EMT.
Doesn't that completely go against normal procedure?
Yes it does, and it's further evidence that the Sanford PD is staffed by buffoons. If you read back through this thread, that's been my main complaint about everything -- whether Zimmerman was guilty or innocent, the effectiveness of a criminal prosecution was compromised by general incompetence on the part of the investigating police. There was no blood panel done on Zimmerman to check BAC or drugs, there was no real effort to identify the body (Martin's corpse laid as a John Doe in the city morgue for like 3-4 days), they didn't photograph Zimmerman's injuries before they were cleaned...... they were just a joke of a PD.
I've maintained from early on in this story that the Sanford PD patrol officers are the only actors who can rightly be described as acting in a somewhat race-related way. It was as if they had a dead black kid and a dude claiming he shot the kid in self-defense and made the determination of self-defense there on the spot and then that was that. It wasn't until the detectives arrived and began questioning Zimmerman that any semblance of police work really seems to have taken place.
ExPatriatePen wrote:It was the media, driven by racial pressures, that finally convinced the DA to press charges.
count2infinity wrote:Factorial wrote:The trial is not over but it does appear to be heading to not guilty. Can he instead be found guilty of manslaughter? Does anyone think that his actions (playing junior Police Officer) didn't lead/contribute to a death of another person?
I was curious about this myself. He in the end is ultimately responsible for the death of another human being and I highly doubt the argument could be made that it was purely accidental and that it was ENTIRELY self defense. If Martin approaches him, follows him, then starts to try to beat him up, then yeah, that's entirely self defense, but the first two are clearly not the case.
tifosi77 wrote:Firebird wrote:This never would've made it to trial if the police released the photo's of a beat up Zimmerman, as opposed to waiting 2 months.
The police didn't actually have any pictures of 'beat up' Zimmerman. The only photos taken at the scene were shot by a neighbor, the cops never got a picture of Zimmerman's wounds before they were cleaned up by the EMT.
MRandall25 wrote:Not up to snuff with my legal knowledge:
What would they have to prove for a manslaughter conviction?
MRandall25 wrote:Not up to snuff with my legal knowledge:
What would they have to prove for a manslaughter conviction?
Froggy wrote:MRandall25 wrote:Not up to snuff with my legal knowledge:
What would they have to prove for a manslaughter conviction?
i think that the use of deadly force wasn't necessary based on the physical threat?
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