Official 2013 Pittsburgh Pirates Thread

[BleuLineLady]

Alexei Ramirez would be my ideal pick up, he would be a major upgrade at SS. He would also solidify that position for the next couple years, once they get Barmes off the payroll after this year. He doesnt make much more than they're paying Barmes.

[Crankshaft]

Alexei Ramirez would be my ideal pick up, he would be a major upgrade at SS. He would also solidify that position for the next couple years, once they get Barmes off the payroll after this year. He doesnt make much more than they're paying Barmes.

He's not worth giving up a top prospect for, especially Polanco.

[PhantomJB93]

Alexei Ramirez would be my ideal pick up, he would be a major upgrade at SS. He would also solidify that position for the next couple years, once they get Barmes off the payroll after this year. He doesnt make much more than they're paying Barmes.

He's not worth giving up a top prospect for, especially Polanco.

I think you could make the Rios-Ramirez trade happen without Polanco (or Taillon), and if you can I think you have to do it. The Pirates just have to be willing to eat some salary. With this management, though, that's a tough sell.

[BleuLineLady]

Alexei Ramirez would be my ideal pick up, he would be a major upgrade at SS. He would also solidify that position for the next couple years, once they get Barmes off the payroll after this year. He doesnt make much more than they're paying Barmes.

He's not worth giving up a top prospect for, especially Polanco.

If they can get him without giving up Polanco (Taillon is off the table, thats a given), but any other top prospect would be well worth giving up right now. Ramirez solidifies a position for another 2 years. The future for this team is now. You cant assume that this team will be in the same position next year.

[FreeCandy44]

Anyone remember when McHenry used to deliver timely hits?

[BleuLineLady]

Alexei Ramirez would be my ideal pick up, he would be a major upgrade at SS. He would also solidify that position for the next couple years, once they get Barmes off the payroll after this year. He doesnt make much more than they're paying Barmes.

He's not worth giving up a top prospect for, especially Polanco.

I think you could make the Rios-Ramirez trade happen without Polanco (or Taillon), and if you can I think you have to do it. The Pirates just have to be willing to eat some salary. With this management, though, that's a tough sell.

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

[FreeCandy44]

Thank you for participating Fort. Take your .178 and sit down.

[skullman80]

Ended up not going to the game today since I've had such an awful sore throat for the last few days and got no sleep last night. Wife, mother in law, and brother went instead. They actually left after the 7th because it was so hot. I guess my wife almost passed out because of the heat. So I'm kind of glad I didn't go.

[FreeCandy44]

But now well never know where u parked.

[skullman80]

Haha ill ask the wife.

[FreeCandy44]

Meh

19 games over and 56-37. Ill take it...

[shafnutz05]

This offense is beyond dreadful

[NashvilleCat]

Thank you for participating Fort. Take your .178 and sit down.

Have to think Sanchez gets the call up late in the year. His defense is better and he can't hit much worse.

[Rocco]

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

This crap again?

Midseason 2011: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they traded for Ludwick and Derrek Lee, but wisely didn't go in hard since the team wasn't that good)

Offseason 2011-12: "If the Pirates don't add payroll and bring in free agents the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they signed Barmes and Barajas, traded for Burnett - 1 of those 3 worked out; also made significant offers to Oswalt and Edwin Jackson but were turned down)

Spring training, 2012: "If the Pirates don't extend McCutchen the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (Cutch signed to a friendly deal)

Mid-season 2012: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (traded for Wandy, Snider and Gaby Sanchez; ditched McGehee in a move that backfired spectacularly when Chad Qualls showed up)

Off-season 2012-13: "If the Pirates don't spend money in the offseason the Nuttings don't care about winning."- Pirates fans (signed Martin and Liriano, which I'd say worked out pretty well)

At some point when will people accept that ownership does care about winning instead of moving the goalposts every time they do what people say the Pirates aren't going to do since they don't care? They've made it clear they aren't going to sacrifice their long-term vision for an incremental short-term upgrade. That may or may not be the best plan, and there's data points on both sides of it (the Blue Jays this year are a good example of why going all in can backfire, though every move they took made sense). If they think Taillon and Polanco have more value to Pirates teams down the road than they would whatever veteran those prospects would bring in, so be it. Management's far from perfect but at this point they've done enough that the "they don't care about winning" complaint should die a fiery death.

[Beveridge]

x2

[Rocco]

Thank you for participating Fort. Take your .178 and sit down.

Have to think Sanchez gets the call up late in the year. His defense is better and he can't hit much worse.

If they can't find the courage to dump He Who Shall Not Be Named, then McKenry is safe.

[Rocco]

This offense is beyond dreadful

They get runners on base. At some point the law of averages has to kick in with this team when they have runners on base, right?

[Kovy27]

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

This crap again?

Midseason 2011: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they traded for Ludwick and Derrek Lee, but wisely didn't go in hard since the team wasn't that good)

Offseason 2011-12: "If the Pirates don't add payroll and bring in free agents the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they signed Barmes and Barajas, traded for Burnett - 1 of those 3 worked out; also made significant offers to Oswalt and Edwin Jackson but were turned down)

Spring training, 2012: "If the Pirates don't extend McCutchen the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (Cutch signed to a friendly deal)

Mid-season 2012: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (traded for Wandy, Snider and Gaby Sanchez; ditched McGehee in a move that backfired spectacularly when Chad Qualls showed up)

Off-season 2012-13: "If the Pirates don't spend money in the offseason the Nuttings don't care about winning."- Pirates fans (signed Martin and Liriano, which I'd say worked out pretty well)

At some point when will people accept that ownership does care about winning instead of moving the goalposts every time they do what people say the Pirates aren't going to do since they don't care? They've made it clear they aren't going to sacrifice their long-term vision for an incremental short-term upgrade. That may or may not be the best plan, and there's data points on both sides of it (the Blue Jays this year are a good example of why going all in can backfire, though every move they took made sense). If they think Taillon and Polanco have more value to Pirates teams down the road than they would whatever veteran those prospects would bring in, so be it. Management's far from perfect but at this point they've done enough that the "they don't care about winning" complaint should die a fiery death.

Best Rocco post in a long time.

[canaan]

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

This crap again?

Midseason 2011: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they traded for Ludwick and Derrek Lee, but wisely didn't go in hard since the team wasn't that good)

Offseason 2011-12: "If the Pirates don't add payroll and bring in free agents the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they signed Barmes and Barajas, traded for Burnett - 1 of those 3 worked out; also made significant offers to Oswalt and Edwin Jackson but were turned down)

Spring training, 2012: "If the Pirates don't extend McCutchen the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (Cutch signed to a friendly deal)

Mid-season 2012: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (traded for Wandy, Snider and Gaby Sanchez; ditched McGehee in a move that backfired spectacularly when Chad Qualls showed up)

Off-season 2012-13: "If the Pirates don't spend money in the offseason the Nuttings don't care about winning."- Pirates fans (signed Martin and Liriano, which I'd say worked out pretty well)

At some point when will people accept that ownership does care about winning instead of moving the goalposts every time they do what people say the Pirates aren't going to do since they don't care? They've made it clear they aren't going to sacrifice their long-term vision for an incremental short-term upgrade. That may or may not be the best plan, and there's data points on both sides of it (the Blue Jays this year are a good example of why going all in can backfire, though every move they took made sense). If they think Taillon and Polanco have more value to Pirates teams down the road than they would whatever veteran those prospects would bring in, so be it. Management's far from perfect but at this point they've done enough that the "they don't care about winning" complaint should die a fiery death.

welcome to the spoiled rotten Pittsburgh sports fan

[pens2005]

This offense is beyond dreadful

They get runners on base. At some point the law of averages has to kick in with this team when they have runners on base, right?

How's that been working out the last 2 years for them?

[columbia]

Pirates fans are spoiled rotten?

[Rocco]

This offense is beyond dreadful

They get runners on base. At some point the law of averages has to kick in with this team when they have runners on base, right?

How's that been working out the last 2 years for them?

Last year they had a slightly higher OPS with runners in scoring position. This year they are about 36 points worse.

[FreeCandy44]

Pirates fans are spoiled rotten?

By fireworks and bobble heads maybe.

[Rocco]

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

This crap again?

Midseason 2011: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they traded for Ludwick and Derrek Lee, but wisely didn't go in hard since the team wasn't that good)

Offseason 2011-12: "If the Pirates don't add payroll and bring in free agents the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they signed Barmes and Barajas, traded for Burnett - 1 of those 3 worked out; also made significant offers to Oswalt and Edwin Jackson but were turned down)

Spring training, 2012: "If the Pirates don't extend McCutchen the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (Cutch signed to a friendly deal)

Mid-season 2012: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (traded for Wandy, Snider and Gaby Sanchez; ditched McGehee in a move that backfired spectacularly when Chad Qualls showed up)

Off-season 2012-13: "If the Pirates don't spend money in the offseason the Nuttings don't care about winning."- Pirates fans (signed Martin and Liriano, which I'd say worked out pretty well)

At some point when will people accept that ownership does care about winning instead of moving the goalposts every time they do what people say the Pirates aren't going to do since they don't care? They've made it clear they aren't going to sacrifice their long-term vision for an incremental short-term upgrade. That may or may not be the best plan, and there's data points on both sides of it (the Blue Jays this year are a good example of why going all in can backfire, though every move they took made sense). If they think Taillon and Polanco have more value to Pirates teams down the road than they would whatever veteran those prospects would bring in, so be it. Management's far from perfect but at this point they've done enough that the "they don't care about winning" complaint should die a fiery death.

Best Rocco post in a long time.

When I come back from a hiatus, I like to come back spitting fire. I want to keep the people happy.

[Kovy27]

I guess we'll really see how much ownership cares about having a winning team. If they do nothing or just a small move, it will show that ownership really does not care.

This crap again?

Midseason 2011: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they traded for Ludwick and Derrek Lee, but wisely didn't go in hard since the team wasn't that good)

Offseason 2011-12: "If the Pirates don't add payroll and bring in free agents the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (they signed Barmes and Barajas, traded for Burnett - 1 of those 3 worked out; also made significant offers to Oswalt and Edwin Jackson but were turned down)

Spring training, 2012: "If the Pirates don't extend McCutchen the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (Cutch signed to a friendly deal)

Mid-season 2012: "If the Pirates don't make a trade then the Nuttings aren't serious about winning."- Pirates fans (traded for Wandy, Snider and Gaby Sanchez; ditched McGehee in a move that backfired spectacularly when Chad Qualls showed up)

Off-season 2012-13: "If the Pirates don't spend money in the offseason the Nuttings don't care about winning."- Pirates fans (signed Martin and Liriano, which I'd say worked out pretty well)

At some point when will people accept that ownership does care about winning instead of moving the goalposts every time they do what people say the Pirates aren't going to do since they don't care? They've made it clear they aren't going to sacrifice their long-term vision for an incremental short-term upgrade. That may or may not be the best plan, and there's data points on both sides of it (the Blue Jays this year are a good example of why going all in can backfire, though every move they took made sense). If they think Taillon and Polanco have more value to Pirates teams down the road than they would whatever veteran those prospects would bring in, so be it. Management's far from perfect but at this point they've done enough that the "they don't care about winning" complaint should die a fiery death.

Best Rocco post in a long time.

When I come back from a hiatus, I like to come back spitting fire. I want to keep the people happy.

It happens on all sports in Pittsburgh. It truly is ridiculous. Can't wait to see the Steelers stink up the joint this year.