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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby newarenanow on Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:21 am

WDWBurghGooner wrote:I'm about 360 pages into Clash of Kings. It pretty crazy how similar the first book was with the first season. It seems like they cut some things out of the second season.

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In the series, Sansa seems really dumb and lovestruck with Joffrey up until Margery comes. I don't know if it was bad acting but I never got the sense that she despised Joffrey. In the book, it's much clearer that she starts hating him after Ned is beheaded. Maybe I'm just forgetting bc I haven't watched the second season in a while.

Also, Theon betraying the Starks seems to come out of nowhere. In the book, you get little hints that he may not be totally trustworthy.


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I'm right around the same place as you in the books (I'm on page 345) in Clash of Kings. Any book that there is a show or movie, the book always has a lot more to it, which is why I like reading them. You get what in the characters head, you get more explanation, more story line. It's just that sometimes things don't come across on TV or there just isnt' time.

Theon's story line is a lot more in depth in the book like you said, and you see how it builds.

I agree with TWC though, even in the show, Sansa was just loving him over self preservation. After he took her out to see her dad's head on the spike, I think that is where she knew she had to "pretend" to love him in order to survive.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Mon Jul 15, 2013 12:34 pm

newarenanow wrote:
WDWBurghGooner wrote:I'm about 360 pages into Clash of Kings. It pretty crazy how similar the first book was with the first season. It seems like they cut some things out of the second season.

Spoiler:
In the series, Sansa seems really dumb and lovestruck with Joffrey up until Margery comes. I don't know if it was bad acting but I never got the sense that she despised Joffrey. In the book, it's much clearer that she starts hating him after Ned is beheaded. Maybe I'm just forgetting bc I haven't watched the second season in a while.

Also, Theon betraying the Starks seems to come out of nowhere. In the book, you get little hints that he may not be totally trustworthy.


Spoiler:
I'm right around the same place as you in the books (I'm on page 345) in Clash of Kings. Any book that there is a show or movie, the book always has a lot more to it, which is why I like reading them. You get what in the characters head, you get more explanation, more story line. It's just that sometimes things don't come across on TV or there just isnt' time.

Theon's story line is a lot more in depth in the book like you said, and you see how it builds.

I agree with TWC though, even in the show, Sansa was just loving him over self preservation. After he took her out to see her dad's head on the spike, I think that is where she knew she had to "pretend" to love him in order to survive.


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What makes Sansa's character so compelling to me is how quickly she has to adapt to survive a very bad situation. Her sister Arya always had a rebellious nature, which makes it easier for her to hit the ground running when the *poop* hits the fan. Sansa had grown up content to be the perfect little princess, and only slowly comes to the realization that her flowery dreams of noble knights in shining armor are nothing by juvenile fairy tales and that in this cold hard world she lives in, she must develop a thick skin and quick head in playing her role to the utmost advantage. Ironically, it is characters she begins the books viewing as ghastly monsters (the Imp and the Hound) who come to her aide along the way, while the characters with a more pious facade she begins the books idolizing (Joffrey, Ser Loras, Cersei) disenchant, disappoint, and betray her. You see a lot of growth from her character as the books go on, she begins playing the courtly game not unlike you would imagine a young Cersei might if she had been placed in a similar scenario. You also get the subtlest of hints that Sansa, like Cersei, is not exactly 100% mentally stable and it has been hinted that even her 1st person narration may not all be a totally accurate reflection of reality within the storyline.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby WDWBurghGooner on Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:32 pm

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Maybe it was simply bc we don't get what Sansa is thinking in her head on the show whereas we do in the book.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:36 pm

Yeah, one thing reading the books gives you that is hard to convey on screen often is what the characters are thinking. Great actors can sometimes do this without dialogue, but it's certainly a skill. I went back and re-watched Season 1 after reading the first book and it definitely impacts the way you view things... Often with discussing the show with my co-worker, I've found that things I never really gave a second thought to were unclear to him or didn't seem like they were in-character... but from reading the books, you get into the mind of most of these characters due to the POV style, so you know they do actually fit.

The more you read, the more it becomes amazing that they even attempted to take this story on given the breadth of the story they are working with. I just have a bad feeling that they are going to pass up Martin in the end and spoil the ending for us. No way is HBO going to do prequel seasons or wait around. He'd better move his ass.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby canaan on Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:21 am

the wicked child wrote:No way is HBO going to do prequel seasons

didnt they say that they would do that?
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:24 am

I don't remember seeing that anywhere. The most recent article I saw on the subject was the producer talking about how 7 seasons would be their "sweet spot" and their were concerns about the children aging going forward.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Digitalgypsy66 on Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:34 am

canaan wrote:
the wicked child wrote:No way is HBO going to do prequel seasons

didnt they say that they would do that?

Martin has a development deal with HBO beyond GoT. It was rumored that he would be interested in making the Dunk and Egg novellas into a series.



http://winteriscoming.net/2013/03/grrm- ... discussed/

He's looking to write 9-10 more Dunk and Egg novellas... :shock:
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby newarenanow on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:17 pm

PS - I've FINALLY got to watch the Red Wedding episode the other night, after about 2 months.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:19 pm

How was the wedding?
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby newarenanow on Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:21 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:How was the wedding?


Very red.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:50 pm

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/07/17/game- ... -sherlock/

So they cast someone for... They won't say. I can't think of any roles that would require any kind of secrecy...
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Pucks_and_Pols on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:36 am

I can think of one role they would need to keep secret, but its not untill book 5, unless they are going to start inserting some prelude to the character now for season 4.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:53 am

Just finished the first Bran chapter in GoT. I've got some catching up to do.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:06 am

Spoiler:
Don't get too attached to him running around. :pop:
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:10 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
Spoiler:
Don't get too attached to him running around. :pop:

Oh I'm a show watcher, I get the jist of what's gonna happen. After the RW, I HAD to start reading so I could see the extra details in every storyline.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:12 am

GSdrums87 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
Spoiler:
Don't get too attached to him running around. :pop:

Oh I'm a show watcher, I get the jist of what's gonna happen. After the RW, I HAD to start reading so I could see the extra details in every storyline.


Thats where i'm at right now, i'm on a storm of swords. I just thought that would be a funny spoiler. Originally I was going to post that adn then add "does this need spoiler'd".
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:13 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
Spoiler:
Don't get too attached to him running around. :pop:

Oh I'm a show watcher, I get the jist of what's gonna happen. After the RW, I HAD to start reading so I could see the extra details in every storyline.


Thats where i'm at right now, i'm on a storm of swords. I just thought that would be a funny spoiler. Originally I was going to post that adn then add "does this need spoiler'd".

Haha it definitely made me hesitate clicking on it...
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Letang Is The Truth on Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:40 am

GSdrums87 wrote:
Idoit40fans wrote:
Spoiler:
Don't get too attached to him running around. :pop:

Oh I'm a show watcher, I get the jist of what's gonna happen. After the RW, I HAD to start reading so I could see the extra details in every storyline.


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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:55 am

Book Spoilers

Spoiler:
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Fri Jul 19, 2013 7:33 pm


Spoiler:
Lots of people have died.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby DelPen on Sat Jul 20, 2013 6:07 pm

Pucks_and_Pols wrote:I can think of one role they would need to keep secret, but its not untill book 5, unless they are going to start inserting some prelude to the character now for season 4.


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Not sure who would be the secret. He doesn't seem quite old enough to be Mace Tyrell, Randall Tarley, or Anyone else I can think of.

He's only 16 years older than Natalie Dormer and Mace is fat. He would have made a great Mance Rayder.

Euron Greyjoy could fit, he makes a small appearance in SoS, Victarion too. Maybe foreshadow Griff?
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby PensFanInDC on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:08 pm

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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:10 pm

Yes.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:14 pm

If I were Jaime, i'd rather have my hand.

Also, Jon is about to go over the wall in the libro.
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Re: George R.R. Martin

Postby the wicked child on Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:15 pm

PensFanInDC wrote:Image

Hahaha
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