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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:08 am

True, someone would be willing to drop a pick for MAF.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby columbia on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:10 am

GSdrums87 wrote:True, someone would be willing to drop a pick for MAF.


If he bombs out in the playoffs next year, they won't be able to give him away.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:13 am

columbia wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:True, someone would be willing to drop a pick for MAF.


If he bombs out in the playoffs next year, they won't be able to give him away.

Agreed, but I'm referencing this offseason.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:13 am

GSdrums87 wrote:True, someone would be willing to drop a pick for MAF.


I didn't say anything about trading him either.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:19 am

Idoit40fans wrote:
GSdrums87 wrote:True, someone would be willing to drop a pick for MAF.


I didn't say anything about trading him either.


Then why say anything at all if you're apparently not saying anything? :lol:
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:21 am

I directly responded to what you said. You said he wasn't replaceable and I disagree. The current free agent market, 2 weeks into free agency, indicates that he is very replaceable.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:26 am

Are you a politician?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:26 am

Crankshaft wrote:Are you a politician?

He's really good at making me second guess myself :lol:
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:27 am

...are you talking to me? I directly responded to what was said, that is the polar opposite of what a politician does.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:31 am

You responded with an idea, saying that he was in fact replaceable. Then when confronted about how you would replace him, you became non-committal and offered no viable solution. Only that, in theory, a solution was possible.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:33 am

What? The way you replace him is with one of several available free agents. I didn't come up with the scenario of getting rid of the guy. The obvious solution would have been to compliance buy out, but I don't really care about that.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Crankshaft on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:36 am

You weren't forthright in offering your opinion about 'getting rid' of Fleury but when someone else, through the natural progression of discussion, started talking about the different scenarios, you backtracked quickly.

:lol: I'm not meaning to offend. I just found it funny, that's all.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:39 am

I made it clear what I was talking about. I framed the post with a sentence that explained what I was disagreeing with, then explained why I disagreed with that. I never said anything about getting rid of the guy. Finding a replacement necessitates that the player is already gone or is already set to be leaving.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:06 am

Idoit40fans wrote:I made it clear what I was talking about. I framed the post with a sentence that explained what I was disagreeing with, then explained why I disagreed with that. I never said anything about getting rid of the guy. Finding a replacement necessitates that the player is already gone or is already set to be leaving.


I get what you were saying and replying to. A few pages back I was blasted for "wanting" to trade Martin when I was only saying if GMRS wants to make major changes we need to dump a fairly high salary. Sometimes in the GM type threads its easy to confuse when someone is saying "what could or would have to happen" in response to a specific post with "what I want to happen".
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:10 am

In my opinion we have 3 options for now through the deadline. First two this is basically our team for the cup run.

1. Trade Nisky, roll with a million maybe a depth deadline pickup.
2. Trade Nisky and someone like Glass but then we need a roster spot. That saves only say $500,000 at most plus Nisky's salary compared to option #1.
3. Blockbuster deal we don't see coming either clearing tons of cap space or brining back 3 depth wingers for one high salary and someone like Glass.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Nizzy on Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:36 pm

We don't need wingers.

Kunitz
Guerin/Dupuis
Talbot
Fedotenko
Kennedy
Cooke

I think our top 3 line wingers are better now. We need to have defense like 2009, like current Boston.

Team defense, etc.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby BurghersAndDogsSports on Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:44 pm

Nizzy wrote:We don't need wingers.

Kunitz
Guerin/Dupuis
Talbot
Fedotenko
Kennedy
Cooke

I think our top 3 line wingers are better now. We need to have defense like 2009, like current Boston.

Team defense, etc.


Kind of disagree, we need depth wingers desperately. Right now our 3rd line wingers pretty much stink, as do our 4th. if they are who we think they are. Assuming Bennett ends up ahead we have our pick of a guy who was untradable....unless traded for actually nothing and less salary, another guy who nobody wanted and took league minimum, DJ, Glass, Adams and Vitale. Ugh, ugh, ugh.

3 couldn't crack our lineup in the playoffs last year.

We could use some back end defense but our top 4 is set and Despres is a lock for 5.

My only point anyways is this is our lineup minus the trade to get us cap compliant from day one to the playoffs unless we have a surprising trade.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby André on Fri Jul 26, 2013 5:42 am

Boyes.

35 points with the Isles last year and he had success together with Crosby in the WCs once (not that that in itself is a reason to pursue him).

He should get alot more than the 1 mil he got last year, but then again there hasn't been any market demand so far so maybe he'd be on for that again with the Pens?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:00 am

Yesterday on Sirius NHL radio, they gave Ray a B- grade. I definitely agreed with everything the one guy said in his review. Namely, why mess with perfect chemistry by bringing in a bunch of established guys and why in the heck support Fleury? The cool thing was that they loved the Sutter-Staal trade which I think was the best Shero could have done in those circumstances as well.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby GSdrums87 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:05 am

He gets a B- in management, but an A+ in my heart.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby MarioLives on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:17 am

So now that it looks like Shero has to move Nisky, in order to get under the cap, what do you think would be an acceptable return? Is it strictly a draft pick at this point?
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby mikey287 on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:25 am

I'm hopeful for a 2nd, but would take a 3rd.
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby Idoit40fans on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:25 am

Why were they talking about the Staal trade? If they're doing 2013(or 2012-2013 ratings for that matter), that would have been done the previous year at this time, aka the trade would have been party of the 2011-12 season
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby SolidSnake on Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:28 am

RisslingsMissingTeeth wrote:Yesterday on Sirius NHL radio, they gave Ray a B- grade. I definitely agreed with everything the one guy said in his review. Namely, why mess with perfect chemistry by bringing in a bunch of established guys and why in the heck support Fleury? The cool thing was that they loved the Sutter-Staal trade which I think was the best Shero could have done in those circumstances as well.

Thanks for posting this. I missed this part of the segment and can't find anywhere online to listen to it. :(
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Re: You're the GM 2013-14, 2014-15

Postby RisslingsMissingTeeth on Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:22 am

Idoit40fans wrote:Why were they talking about the Staal trade? If they're doing 2013(or 2012-2013 ratings for that matter), that would have been done the previous year at this time, aka the trade would have been party of the 2011-12 season


The grade was based on the past season and then the offseason moves to the airing of the broadcase. Sutter played his first season with the Pens so the time to evaluate the quality of the move was correct.

These guys do their homework. They talked of Ray's patience with Martin and the incredible season he gave in return but mentioned that unless the cap goes up a lot, Ray seriously gambled away the future of the franchise on 3 players. It was a solid objective review IMO.
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