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Kraftster wrote:Care to give a brief review with any major criticisms on the baseball game, APK? I have been wanting a baseball sim for a couple years now. The Show is pretty bad for simming/GM Mode.
AlexPKeaton wrote:I bought into the beta, but the game kind of sucks right now. There is no trading engine implemented yet which kind of kills it right now, but there is still about 2 months until release.
The bigger worry though is that the sliders are poo-poo. You cannot pick something basic like the type of forecheck or defensive zone system, just man or zone, with a bunch of sliders like aggression and what not. And the game coaching is terrible. You only see where the shots come from, not the players moving around so you cannot tell if your breakout is working or how your team is playing other than the box score. You also cannot hire a head coach, just assistants and scouts.
I'm kind of disappointed, because their baseball management sim game is regarded as excellent, and indeed I grabbed the iOS version (iOOTP) and it is really good. Hopefully they have a bunch of tricks up their sleeve before release. But as of right now I don't recommend this game, even with the $10 off you get if you purchase it early.
Kraftster wrote:Care to give a brief review with any major criticisms on the baseball game, APK? I have been wanting a baseball sim for a couple years now. The Show is pretty bad for simming/GM Mode.
AlexPKeaton wrote:Can you give those devs some advice on how to beef up the coaching? I think I read on the forums that they are going to have a game view overhaul, which is definitely sorely needed because right now I cannot tell what is going on the game other than the boxscore stuff. But they need to implement hockey related systems like 1-2-2 et. al. instead of just having those meters which are too abstract in hockey terms. I don't see any mention of this on the forums, but to me this is not a hockey game if you don't have hockey systems.
My other sort of criticism is the scouting. I realize that it is a lot like EHM, but I actually think the way OOTP 14 does it is far superior and actually much simpler. I think my biggest issue is that, as a fan of the NHL but not a super fan of all the leagues, I have no idea what all of these leagues are and which ones I should be scouting. I think as a GM, it is more realistic to set a budget and have your scouts figure this out for you.
But that is my only real criticism of the game now that I have had more time with it. The AI definitely needs work but that is definitely coming. I don't care about mistakes in the player ratings because the game ships with an editor and you can just fix that.
mikey287 wrote:The game is a little rough still (as would any beta be) but this game has more upside than Eastside (a game that I've spent more time playing than possibly any game ever besides Tecmo Super Bowl for NES, and even now it's getting close, as I'm still an EHM player and so is my roommate as a result).
It's not EHM quality yet, but it's getting there. I've been in on the project since nearly the very beginning, the game was much rougher than it is now. The finer details are to be implemented later in the summer. Then, of course, there will be some bugs, and then the updated release will fix all that and include online play and we should be off and running.
I had been summoned to head up the NHL research side of things, I also was involved in the attribute selection, how the leagues are ranked relatively on a worldwide scale (with some help from many Euros, of course) and will be very involved in the scouting and tactical details - two of my favorite parts of the game, of course.
I'd encourage any hockey enthusiast to keep this on their shortlist and monitor its progress. You are going to buy it anyway, so you can get it now at a discount or wait and pay more for it later, whichever you prefer
Crankshaft wrote:mikey287 wrote:The game is a little rough still (as would any beta be) but this game has more upside than Eastside (a game that I've spent more time playing than possibly any game ever besides Tecmo Super Bowl for NES, and even now it's getting close, as I'm still an EHM player and so is my roommate as a result).
It's not EHM quality yet, but it's getting there. I've been in on the project since nearly the very beginning, the game was much rougher than it is now. The finer details are to be implemented later in the summer. Then, of course, there will be some bugs, and then the updated release will fix all that and include online play and we should be off and running.
I had been summoned to head up the NHL research side of things, I also was involved in the attribute selection, how the leagues are ranked relatively on a worldwide scale (with some help from many Euros, of course) and will be very involved in the scouting and tactical details - two of my favorite parts of the game, of course.
I'd encourage any hockey enthusiast to keep this on their shortlist and monitor its progress. You are going to buy it anyway, so you can get it now at a discount or wait and pay more for it later, whichever you prefer
Have you played their baseball simulator? How close will that game compare to the hockey manager?
AlexPKeaton wrote:Crankshaft wrote:mikey287 wrote:The game is a little rough still (as would any beta be) but this game has more upside than Eastside (a game that I've spent more time playing than possibly any game ever besides Tecmo Super Bowl for NES, and even now it's getting close, as I'm still an EHM player and so is my roommate as a result).
It's not EHM quality yet, but it's getting there. I've been in on the project since nearly the very beginning, the game was much rougher than it is now. The finer details are to be implemented later in the summer. Then, of course, there will be some bugs, and then the updated release will fix all that and include online play and we should be off and running.
I had been summoned to head up the NHL research side of things, I also was involved in the attribute selection, how the leagues are ranked relatively on a worldwide scale (with some help from many Euros, of course) and will be very involved in the scouting and tactical details - two of my favorite parts of the game, of course.
I'd encourage any hockey enthusiast to keep this on their shortlist and monitor its progress. You are going to buy it anyway, so you can get it now at a discount or wait and pay more for it later, whichever you prefer
Have you played their baseball simulator? How close will that game compare to the hockey manager?
Their baseball sim is amazing. I recommend it to anyone who likes management sims even if they don't particularly care for baseball. I haven't watched a complete MLB game in years and I'm hopelessly addicted to this game.
They likely won't hit this level of polish with their first attempt at FHM. But there is a super high level of awesomeness that they can hit in maybe their 2nd attempt or with patches and updates. So I want people to support this game so they keep making it in the future, these guys are doing great work.
Crankshaft wrote:I've played OOTP baseball, which is why I asked how close the FHM will be. I will probably bite the bullet and go with the beta.
Are they starting with NHL names and players or is it generic teams/players like in OOTP?
AlexPKeaton wrote:Can you give those devs some advice on how to beef up the coaching? I think I read on the forums that they are going to have a game view overhaul, which is definitely sorely needed because right now I cannot tell what is going on the game other than the boxscore stuff. But they need to implement hockey related systems like 1-2-2 et. al. instead of just having those meters which are too abstract in hockey terms. I don't see any mention of this on the forums, but to me this is not a hockey game if you don't have hockey systems.
My other sort of criticism is the scouting. I realize that it is a lot like EHM, but I actually think the way OOTP 14 does it is far superior and actually much simpler. I think my biggest issue is that, as a fan of the NHL but not a super fan of all the leagues, I have no idea what all of these leagues are and which ones I should be scouting. I think as a GM, it is more realistic to set a budget and have your scouts figure this out for you.
But that is my only real criticism of the game now that I have had more time with it. The AI definitely needs work but that is definitely coming. I don't care about mistakes in the player ratings because the game ships with an editor and you can just fix that.
Crankshaft wrote:mikey287 wrote:The game is a little rough still (as would any beta be) but this game has more upside than Eastside (a game that I've spent more time playing than possibly any game ever besides Tecmo Super Bowl for NES, and even now it's getting close, as I'm still an EHM player and so is my roommate as a result).
It's not EHM quality yet, but it's getting there. I've been in on the project since nearly the very beginning, the game was much rougher than it is now. The finer details are to be implemented later in the summer. Then, of course, there will be some bugs, and then the updated release will fix all that and include online play and we should be off and running.
I had been summoned to head up the NHL research side of things, I also was involved in the attribute selection, how the leagues are ranked relatively on a worldwide scale (with some help from many Euros, of course) and will be very involved in the scouting and tactical details - two of my favorite parts of the game, of course.
I'd encourage any hockey enthusiast to keep this on their shortlist and monitor its progress. You are going to buy it anyway, so you can get it now at a discount or wait and pay more for it later, whichever you prefer
Have you played their baseball simulator? How close will that game compare to the hockey manager?
mikey287 wrote:Crankshaft wrote:Have you played their baseball simulator? How close will that game compare to the hockey manager?
I have downloaded the baseball game, but was too overwhelmed because I don't know enough about baseball. I can't speak to their similarities at any meaningful level I'm afraid.
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