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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:32 pm

ecigarettes don't cause cancer to people around the user either.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Kaizer on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:34 pm

Pitt87 wrote:
Factorial wrote:Go back 25-30 years and could smoke almost everywhere. Airplanes, buses, all restaurants, some college classrooms, etc. Just think about that when you are whining about the "bad smell" of e-cigs. IMHO perfumes and colognes are a far bigger assault on ones senses.


Former smoker saying this... Smokers don't know how bad they smell. They're sense of smell is so muted and they are so used to stale tobacco smell that if you ask them, they might not realize that everyone can smell them from a distance. If you smoke ~1 pack a day, its probably the same as re-applying perfume every hour or so.


current smoker agreeing with this, and its why i dont even smoke inside my own home.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Sam's Drunk Dog on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:40 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:ecigarettes don't cause cancer to people around the user either.


Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2402108/E-cigarettes-harmful-cigarettes-cause-cancer-claims-study.html

Electronic cigarettes contain carcinogenic chemicals that make some as harmful as normal tobacco, a new French study has claimed.
The report comes after government plans announced in May this year to ban electronic cigarettes from public places in France.



If they are as harmful as normal cigarettes than I wouldn't be so sure.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:48 pm

How are these carcinogens getting to anyone second hand?
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby AlexPKeaton on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:56 pm

The liquid these things use can be made safe, the problem is that there is no regulation at all. It needs FDA type regulation. The idea of these e-cigs is a good one, you just have to regulate the additional chemicals in the liquid, just like the FDA regulates what chemicals are used in food. Also there are hundreds upon hundreds of various types of liquids. They tested 10 and found 3 that came close to a real cigarette on ONE particular chemical, not all of the chemicals. Headline screams of typical sensationalism.

Also this study was not on the second hand effect. Even if 3 out of 10 have 1 of the harmful substances to the level of cigarettes, 0 out of 10 have actual smoke and tar. They did not study if this single chemical among the many that are dangerous in real cigarettes is propagated to the actual vapor that dissipates significantly faster than real smoke does.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby count2infinity on Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:10 pm

AlexPKeaton wrote:The liquid these things use can be made safe, the problem is that there is no regulation at all. It needs FDA type regulation. The idea of these e-cigs is a good one, you just have to regulate the additional chemicals in the liquid, just like the FDA regulates what chemicals are used in food. Also there are hundreds upon hundreds of various types of liquids. They tested 10 and found 3 that came close to a real cigarette on ONE particular chemical, not all of the chemicals. Headline screams of typical sensationalism.

Also this study was not on the second hand effect. Even if 3 out of 10 have 1 of the harmful substances to the level of cigarettes, 0 out of 10 have actual smoke and tar. They did not study if this single chemical among the many that are dangerous in real cigarettes is propagated to the actual vapor that dissipates significantly faster than real smoke does.


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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby columbia on Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:11 pm

I'm enjoying - and believe me, I am - a nicotine lozenge right now and will no ill effects on anyone else; none to me really, other than slightly raising my blood pressure.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Factorial on Thu Aug 29, 2013 1:14 pm

columbia wrote:I'm enjoying - and believe me, I am - a nicotine lozenger right now and will no ill effects on anyone else; none to me really, other than slightly raising my blood pressure.


Can't the constant sucking on them cause irritation to others? :)
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby shmenguin on Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:04 pm

It's your right to smell bad. It's not your right to spit cancer dust into my face. So I guess I don't really care when people are "smoking" e cigs around me, as opposed to normal cigarettes.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Rylan on Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:11 pm

I am with shmenguin more or less. If I am outside with someone while they are smoking, I have willfully placed myself in position to deal with the consequences. What annoys me is when I have no choice really but to be around an individual and they light up in the middle of either a crowded place or inside a building. Both annoy me as they show a complete lack of awareness and that is unacceptable.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby mac5155 on Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:20 pm

I can't think of one place where people light up (legally) and is inside in a crowded room, etc. The only place I can think of are bars that allow smoking.. If you don't like it don't go there.
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Re: E-cigs are as harmful as cigarettes

Postby Rylan on Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:28 pm

mac5155 wrote:I can't think of one place where people light up (legally) and is inside in a crowded room, etc. The only place I can think of are bars that allow smoking.. If you don't like it don't go there.


Quite true. And the casino. If they blow the smoke up, I don't care. Its when its blown just straight to the side where I have been smoke blasted I get annoyed.
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