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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby skullman80 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:50 am

Troy Loney wrote:
skullman80 wrote:Pearl Jam sucks. I can admit they are talented, but to my ears musically they suck.
Nirvana Sucks... like worst band ever sucks. Kurt Cobain had zero talent.. zilch... .nada. Grohl went on to much bigger and better things. The bassist wasn't half bad either. Cobain was just awful though.


I feel like you need to substantiate this claim. That's a really vague statement to make about a guy who was making power chord rock songs. Cobain was probably no master at the guitar, but they made some great songs. You just seem to be making a subjective statement and masking it as an objective claim.


I don't think he wrote a good song ever. I certainly don't speak for everyone though. To my ears though... awful. I never got all the praise he got as a songwriter. Never got it, never will. Just how I feel.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:56 am

Come As You Are is pretty damn good.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Ben Klingston on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:29 am

Troy Loney wrote:
skullman80 wrote:Pearl Jam sucks. I can admit they are talented, but to my ears musically they suck.
Nirvana Sucks... like worst band ever sucks. Kurt Cobain had zero talent.. zilch... .nada. Grohl went on to much bigger and better things. The bassist wasn't half bad either. Cobain was just awful though.


I feel like you need to substantiate this claim. That's a really vague statement to make about a guy who was making power chord rock songs. Cobain was probably no master at the guitar, but they made some great songs. You just seem to be making a subjective statement and masking it as an objective claim.


Not to get all zen, but isn't this true for any assessment of whether music is 'good' or 'bad'? Is it related to how many people share the same assessment? Is it related to how melodic/complex an arrangement is in relation to technical difficulty? Is it related to the tempo and lyrical content? Is it related to how influential/groundbreaking it is? My view is it could or could not be related to any of these, and so many other factors.

I love this thread and when I see things like 'X music sucks/is bad/is a joke' or 'Y music is awesome/so much better than Z/' my eyes kind of gloss over and I view it as a singular statement/viewpoint coming from one person. It is not correct, it is not incorrect, because there is no correct or incorrect in such statements, IMHO. It's art. I've long since realized for myself that trying to make arguments for or against those assessments can make for interesting discussions but there is no winner or right/wrong outcome of that debate.

Except for Metallica/Slayer, etc and all the screaming death metal crap, cuz I mean, c'mon, that 'music' is crap. :P
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby columbia on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:38 am

One of the things that I like about this thread is folks - in general - stay away from "that kind of music, band, etc" sucks.
In that sense, it's a thread with multiple sub-threads, where people cordially discuss and inform others with similar tastes/interests.

If it turned into a forum of "objective truths", I'd probably stop reading it.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:52 am

Music is what makes you happy, if you don't like a certain band or style....well that's why a radio still has so many presets.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby skullman80 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:14 am

I certainly wasn't trying to derail the thread. If I did so.. my apologies.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:20 am

Nah, I think we're all good here.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:24 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:Music is what makes you happy, if you don't like a certain band or style....well that's why a radio still has so many presets.


I can agree with this. I pop into this thread from time to time and listen to some of the songs that are posted and think to myself, "how can anyone listen to this garbage?" And I'm sure if some of you hopped in the car with me and listened to a playlist of mine, you'd be thinking the same. It's what YOU like. Doesn't matter what everyone else thinks.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:31 am

If Gaucho wasn't so obsessed with Seattle music and PJ, we would be fine. Nah hey...again I learned from my ex wife that there is a ton of excellent music that may or may not be for you. You may like Ke$ha while I like the Doors. That's the beauty of having so many different styles, like snack foods....you'll always find something you'll like. This has always been one of my favorite threads and in no way is it going off the rails.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby count2infinity on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:35 am

Speaking of Seattle music, I listened to Macklemore and Ryan Lewis's "The Heist". Wow, I think some of the best songs on that album are the ones that haven't come out as singles yet.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:40 am

I find that popping tags song extremely catchy.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Ben Klingston on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:41 am

Oh, I didn't mean to imply this thread was going off the rails or the discussion wasn't appropriate... proclaiming a certain music is awesome or sucks is certainly 'talking about music' and belongs here. I just wanted to make the point/reminder that such statements are purely opinion and subjective and can't or shouldn't be taken as fact or correct/incorrect. Just a pet peeve of mine.... no harm done.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:42 am

Atleast Ben likes Pearl Jam. ;)
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Froggy on Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:26 pm

superchunk concert streaming live at http://blog.kexp.org/
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:29 pm

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:31 pm

On this note:

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby JS© on Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:43 pm

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:44 pm

This song is absolutely amazing! And the video is pretty cool to.

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby FreeCandy44 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:49 pm

Dave Grohl might be the coolest guy in rock next to one Josh Homme.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby JS© on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:27 pm

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:59 pm



The GZA was on Neil deGrasse Tyson's podcast in December last year. Current rap artists should be taking notes from this guy.

His segments start at 4:35, 12:19, 19:43, 23:43, 28:18
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby columbia on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:05 am

I'm not really a fan, but this is new:

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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby count2infinity on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:11 am

FreeCandy44 wrote:Dave Grohl is the coolest guy in rock.


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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Troy Loney on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:13 am

skullman80 wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
skullman80 wrote:Pearl Jam sucks. I can admit they are talented, but to my ears musically they suck.
Nirvana Sucks... like worst band ever sucks. Kurt Cobain had zero talent.. zilch... .nada. Grohl went on to much bigger and better things. The bassist wasn't half bad either. Cobain was just awful though.


I feel like you need to substantiate this claim. That's a really vague statement to make about a guy who was making power chord rock songs. Cobain was probably no master at the guitar, but they made some great songs. You just seem to be making a subjective statement and masking it as an objective claim.


I don't think he wrote a good song ever. I certainly don't speak for everyone though. To my ears though... awful. I never got all the praise he got as a songwriter. Never got it, never will. Just how I feel.


Got ya, I guess I just differentiate between saying in my opinion this band isn't good vs this guy has no talent. Wasn't trying to derail the thread either.
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Re: Let's talk about music

Postby Gaucho on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:16 am

I hope this is satire.

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