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KG wrote:I was on board with shopping him in this past off season especially since we didn't have a first round pick. He keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Reminds me of Mike Green in his prime. Excellent offensive skilled player but makes mistakes at the wrong time.
When you deal a player with the skills of Letang you are more likely then not going to replace him in the trade. Going with a trade of several pieces, players, picks etc. is the type of deal that would have to be done.
I would have moved him last year if the price was right and I would do it this year. Same goes for everyone not named Crosby...
Hugo Stiglitz wrote:KG wrote:I was on board with shopping him in this past off season especially since we didn't have a first round pick. He keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. Reminds me of Mike Green in his prime. Excellent offensive skilled player but makes mistakes at the wrong time.
When you deal a player with the skills of Letang you are more likely then not going to replace him in the trade. Going with a trade of several pieces, players, picks etc. is the type of deal that would have to be done.
I would have moved him last year if the price was right and I would do it this year. Same goes for everyone not named Crosby...
Well the idea of moving him would not exactly to be to replace him; that would in itself negate the reason for trading him. If he really doesn't make this team any better or any worse with or without his presence, you trade him for two main reasons
1) Cap Space
2) Fill other holes
Trading him can garner a return of picks and maybe two players: a mid-level dman and high-end third line player with space to spare to spend on other needs.
jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
jcgopens wrote:sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Toews and Kane did what Sid and Geno failed to do. Maybe we should trade them as well.
sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Paul Martin is not available for tonight's game, leaving the #Pens with six D-men including Engelland.
Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Yes, we were all very frustrated that Shero just sat idle and did nothing to try to improve the team at last year's trade deadline.
sjnhiils wrote:Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Yes, we were all very frustrated that Shero just sat idle and did nothing to try to improve the team at last year's trade deadline.
He gave up a 1st round pick,a former 1st round pick,two 2nd round picks and 2 prospects and did little to improve the team. After the Flyer series debacle, he said he was happy with the team he had. I guess he wasn't. Changes should have been made then, it would have been a whole lot cheaper than waiting till the trade deadline.
jcgopens wrote:sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Toews and Kane did what Sid and Geno failed to do. Maybe we should trade them as well.
Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:jcgopens wrote:I highly doubt Ray Shero would ever subject himself to reading message boards, since he deals with reality, facts, figures, pro-scouts, vast hockey knowledge, and indepth knowledge of the player, but I bet Shero would laugh his head off he ever read some of these threads.
A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Yes, we were all very frustrated that Shero just sat idle and did nothing to try to improve the team at last year's trade deadline.
He gave up a 1st round pick,a former 1st round pick,two 2nd round picks and 2 prospects and did little to improve the team. After the Flyer series debacle, he said he was happy with the team he had. I guess he wasn't. Changes should have been made then, it would have been a whole lot cheaper than waiting till the trade deadline.
So if he had drafted Forsberg instead of Pouliout would he be a better GM? Who should he have taken instead of Maatta that would have made a tremendous impact immediately and gotten the Pens back to win a second Cup of this era? I'm pretty sure none of the draft picks or Joe Morrow he gave up for Iginla, Murray and Morrow in last years' attempt would have already improved this year's team so I struggle with your logic.
largegarlic wrote:I was in the trade Letang camp leading up to his re-signing, and I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind about that, but it is still early. Given the Pens' D prospects, I think the team would have been better served moving Letang if they could have gotten a package that included, say, a solid, if unspectacular, top-4 d-man, a solid, if unspectacular, physical, younger top-6 winger, and a 1st-rounder.
That said, I don't think Shero will trade him now. It just seems like a dirty, Holmgren-esque move to sign a guy to a long-term deal and then trade him somewhere he might not want to go before his no-trade clause kicks in.
sjnhiils wrote:Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:Great58 wrote:sjnhiils wrote:A lot of good it has done the last 4 years. Just what has Shero done to get the Pens back to another Cup? Two bad playoffs in a row and still pretty much the same players and coach. Chicago won a cup, retooled their roster making the necessary changes because of the salary cap, and won the cup last year. I don't see Shero willing to make those changes.
Yes, we were all very frustrated that Shero just sat idle and did nothing to try to improve the team at last year's trade deadline.
He gave up a 1st round pick,a former 1st round pick,two 2nd round picks and 2 prospects and did little to improve the team. After the Flyer series debacle, he said he was happy with the team he had. I guess he wasn't. Changes should have been made then, it would have been a whole lot cheaper than waiting till the trade deadline.
So if he had drafted Forsberg instead of Pouliout would he be a better GM? Who should he have taken instead of Maatta that would have made a tremendous impact immediately and gotten the Pens back to win a second Cup of this era? I'm pretty sure none of the draft picks or Joe Morrow he gave up for Iginla, Murray and Morrow in last years' attempt would have already improved this year's team so I struggle with your logic.
Not just draft picks, but bringing in other free agents while letting others go. Those draft picks and Morrow could have been more wisely spent on players who would be around a lot longer , not merely rentals. The only reason I thought Shero made those moves last year was because I thought they were all in because they expected to make drastic changes in the offseason. Shero turns around and resigns players and brings back basically the same team? If that was his plan all along, why give up so much to try and win last year? I also wasn't talking about just last year, I mentioned the last 4 years. I'm struggling with your logic as well.
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