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Re: Fire DB

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:42 pm

topshelf66 wrote:I cn't tell the level of "buy-in" that HCDB is getting from his players but I have to imagine that occasionally 87 has to ask himself "Man, we are at home, why do I have line up against Chara every GD shift?" What is his coach doing for him.

Coach is safe through the olympics for sure. He will no longer be safe once the sellout strek ends. Even through it is somewhat artificial, it is important to the team. When interest has waned enough that student rush can't get them there, they may look to the on ice product.


Isn't the sellout streak already locked up through the end of this season?
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Idoit40fans on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:43 pm

murphydump55 wrote:I love that Bylsma is coaching Team USA more and more each day.



lol because the US is the best competition? I think he'll actually be fine for the Olympic tournament, I don't think he's a good NHL coach. For this team or any team.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby no name on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:46 pm

RxBandit66 wrote:I never understood the attachment that RS has to Bylsma. He's just a friggin coach, they're a dime a dozen. The past 7 years has been the organization's best chance to win multiple Cups in a long time. The first 2 years, the Pens went to the Cup finals and won a Cup, and mostly did that under a different coach, one who was a disciplinarian. Bylsma has failed each of the past 4 seasons to deliver any type of consistent system that can win in the postseason. Why is the team wasting so many years on a novice coach? Any coach in the league, if unemployed, would jump on the opportunity to coach this team. Shero could get anyone he wanted, and for some reason, he wants Bylsma.



I was most worried the players influenced RS into keeping HCDB around. They all gave him thumbs up after the sweep. I agree his time should of been up long ago. But for some reason RS decided to keep him. Now one of the top teams in the league is 12-8 for the season 5 - 7 in the last 12. Something gotta give.

Team was playing better defensivly without letang. Bylsma needs to have a sit down with him.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby llipgh2 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:46 pm

murphydump55 wrote:I love that Bylsma is coaching Team USA more and more each day.


When Team USA gets knocked out of medal contention, will Dan say it's because "We couldn't get to our game?"...
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Re: Fire DB

Postby topshelf66 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:48 pm

The Pens just put out an alert on 30% off tickets to the 12/9 and 12/16 game (Toronto). It just seems like it is getting harder and harder to maintain.

We could easily be 16-4. I have to believe that sells more tickets at retail.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby llipgh2 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:50 pm

topshelf66 wrote:The Pens just put out an alert on 30% tickets to the 12/9 and 12/16 game (Toronto). It just seems like it is getting harder and harder to maintain.

We could easily be 16-4. I have to believe that sells more tickets at retail.


They also sent out notices yesterday for Student Rush for tonight's game. I mean earlier than normal.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Jim on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:13 pm

topshelf66 wrote:I cn't tell the level of "buy-in" that HCDB is getting from his players but I have to imagine that occasionally 87 has to ask himself "Man, we are at home, why do I have line up against Chara every GD shift?" What is his coach doing for him.


Or how about Crosby thinking, "Man, Chara is lining up against me every shift... why is Malkin not blowing the roof off of this place?!?!?!"
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Crankshaft on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:25 pm

THE FAUX SHUTOUT STREAK IS IN DANGER
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Re: Fire DB

Postby SolidSnake on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:43 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Because players won't really want to play for an organization who changes coaches every time something goes wrong.

It's the consistency approach. Maintain a level of consistency in the organization (personnel-wise), and you can draw in players (both UFA's and players w/ expiring contracts) because they pretty much have an idea of what they're going to get.

Again, Shero has said he's wanted to model the team after the Red Wings. Keeping Bylsma around, even with his faults, supports that mindset of personnel consistency throughout the organization.

And like you said, Bylsma is a novice coach. He can only get better from here as he gains more experience (or, theoretically, should).

It's really not hard to see why he's keeping him around. Is it the right idea? That's debatable, but Shero has said why, and it's frankly a pretty good way to run a team.

Well that's great.... If their goal is to consistently under preform
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Re: Fire DB

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:57 pm

meow wrote:
tfrizz wrote:More like defensive responsibility. Malkin is -8 and Neal is -4.....

That would make more sense in Dupuis were better defensively than Jokinen. I'm not sure that is true.


He definitely forechecks better than Jussi.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Beveridge on Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:58 pm

I wonder if Detroit fans are like this with Babcock. They have talent there as well (they don't have the top end talent, but pretty close) and maybe overall is better. He's still there even with an extra year removed from a stanley cup title and hasn't even made it back to the CF that I can recall. Only big difference is Detroit hasn't lost in such spectacular fashion when they get eliminated in the playoffs.

A part of me wants to hope Shero is waiting until he is available. I'd sell some spare body parts to have Babcock coach this team.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby shmenguin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:06 pm

MRandall25 wrote:Because players won't really want to play for an organization who changes coaches every time something goes wrong.

It's the consistency approach. Maintain a level of consistency in the organization (personnel-wise), and you can draw in players (both UFA's and players w/ expiring contracts) because they pretty much have an idea of what they're going to get.


this is extremely speculative. i don't think consistency means a hill of beans to free agents. they either want to go:

a) where the best contract is
b) to a contender
c) somewhere where they have personal ties

in a pie chart of "things that attract free agents", a steady coaching staff is one of those slices that you need to put in the legend outside the graph since it's such a small percentage.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby IntangibleBeer on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:25 pm

Beveridge wrote:I wonder if Detroit fans are like this with Babcock. They have talent there as well (they don't have the top end talent, but pretty close) and maybe overall is better. He's still there even with an extra year removed from a stanley cup title and hasn't even made it back to the CF that I can recall. Only big difference is Detroit hasn't lost in such spectacular fashion when they get eliminated in the playoffs.

A part of me wants to hope Shero is waiting until he is available. I'd sell some spare body parts to have Babcock coach this team.


Wow, now that's a delicious thought. :thumb:

Can you imagine what Babcock would do with this team? I think he'd get inspired play from the superstars and wring every ounce of effort from the supporting cast. :fist:

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Rylan on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:27 pm

lol I am starting to think people just hate Bylsma the person more than the coach.

Babcock is a better coach, but I don't think effort has been the Penguins issues. Its been execution.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby count2infinity on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:31 pm

Rylan wrote:I don't think effort has been the Penguins issues. Its been execution.


I would certainly argue it's a combination of both.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Rylan on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:34 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I don't think effort has been the Penguins issues. Its been execution.


I would certainly argue it's a combination of both.


And I would disagree. But that's been discussed ad naseum, and I don't care enough to continue past this point.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:35 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I don't think effort has been the Penguins issues. Its been execution.


I would certainly argue it's a combination of both.


It is always a combo of both. The thing I think Rylan is attempting to point out is that there are people who think everything is 100% on Bylsma, and that is unfair to Bylsma (paraphrasing)
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Re: Fire DB

Postby count2infinity on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:37 pm

I agree, this is not 100% on Bylsma, not by a long shot. Luckily the Pens have the luxury of being able to figure it out while still on top (or at least close to the top) of the division. They definitely are not playing to potential, but we'll see how things pull together in the next few weeks.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby meow on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:39 pm

This thread keeps on getting better and better
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Re: Fire DB

Postby Rylan on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:39 pm

MRandall25 wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Rylan wrote:I don't think effort has been the Penguins issues. Its been execution.


I would certainly argue it's a combination of both.


It is always a combo of both. The thing I think Rylan is attempting to point out is that there are people who think everything is 100% on Bylsma, and that is unfair to Bylsma (paraphrasing)


It isn't always a combo. Do I think effort could be better? Absolutely. But, I find the execution has been far more detrimental than something that is hard to truly tell from the eye test.

I was just disagreeing that Babcock will make a team "effort" more. He is better tactically and that will give the perception of better effort. Effort is perception based and can be subjective.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby MRandall25 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:49 pm

My bad. Thought we were referring to stuff outside of effort.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby RxBandit66 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:56 pm

The responsibility always falls on the coach when a team loses or underachieves. I realize that Bylsma has likability with the players, but if the 1980 Olympic team would have had a friend as a coach, they never would have won a game, let alone a medal. I know that comparison is apples and oranges, but there is a difference between likability and respect. Hey, Bush and Obama won four elections based mostly on likability. We're seeing how that all worked out. The Pens need a Patton or an Eisenhower, not a Dubya.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby shmenguin on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:01 pm

bylsma is a player's coach. he leaves it up to his players to sort out their mental issues. his players are unable to do this (namely crosby, malkin, fleury and letang). so we lose in embarrassing fashion.

you can extract a lot of blame out of that statement, and it will all be correct.
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Re: Fire DB

Postby count2infinity on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:01 pm

Take it to the political discussion thread....
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Re: Fire DB

Postby ExPatriatePen on Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:09 pm

count2infinity wrote:Take it to the political discussion thread....

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