Fire DB

[bhaw]

Fire DB

[Idoit40fans]

Fire DB

QFT

[bhaw]

Whether or not certain posters are content/indifferent or not is irrelevant. The problem is that the team and organization appear indifferent to the last 4 years.

[Great58]

Whether or not certain posters are content/indifferent or not is irrelevant. The problem is that the team and organization appear indifferent to the last 4 years.

"Indifferent" because they don't share your opinion that they should have fired Bylsma? Because they certainly appeared to want to win "now", last season.

Maybe Shero blames himself more than Bylsma for last season's playoff outcome. And maybe he's correct.

[bhaw]

Because all their comments and actions have shown that it's acceptable.

[Rylan]

because those comments and actions have achieved so much. same with the dissenting opinion. everyone is complacent unless you start the official petition and organize protests for the removal of hcdb. otherwise, you are all indifferent to the future of the franchise.

[pensfan1989]

Who has been held accountable for 3 years of playoffs with 3 straight losses in deciding series?

It's happened with different personnel every year. What has been the one constant?

Judging by their actions, Gil Meloche was the most responsible.

[columbia]

I've lost just about all of my confidence in DB.
That bothers me, partially because PGH sports fans are so prone to blaming the coaching staff, regardless of the quality of the players.

:shrugs:

[penscup]

Man I get so sick of seeing the "4 straight years of playoff failure" repeated here over and over because it is such a lie.

2010 - team was burnt out - very difficult to make the finals 3 straight years - still made it to 2nd round which has to count for something. Lost to Habs in 7 in a very tight series.
2011 - injuries - nothing more needs said really - almost even pulled an upset going 7 again.
2012 - yeah that was a failure
2013 - made it to 3rd round which again should count for something. Embarrassing yes, but not total failure.

Really only 2 years of playoff failure at the most.

but go ahead and keep repeating the lie to try and further your agenda.

[mikey287]

Who has been held accountable for 3 years of playoffs with 3 straight losses in deciding series?

We waived Jeffrey....what more could you possibly want?

[farnham16]

Man I get so sick of seeing the "4 straight years of playoff failure" repeated here over and over because it is such a lie.

2010 - team was burnt out - very difficult to make the finals 3 straight years - still made it to 2nd round which has to count for something. Lost to Habs in 7 in a very tight series.
2011 - injuries - nothing more needs said really - almost even pulled an upset going 7 again.
2012 - yeah that was a failure
2013 - made it to 3rd round which again should count for something. Embarrassing yes, but not total failure.

Really only 2 years of playoff failure at the most.

but go ahead and keep repeating the lie to try and further your agenda.

2010 - Way more talent than the other team. Blew a 3-2 series lead and got blown out at home in game 7.
2011 - The least terrible of them all, but still blew a 3-1 series lead and that should never happen no matter what. Lost another home game 7.
2012 - IMO, the most embarrassing moment in team history
2013 - Should have lost to the Islanders in the 1st round as a 1 seed. Got outplayed in 4 out of the 6 games and only won because the Islanders had no other goalie to turn to like the Pens did. Average goaltending wins the Islanders that series. Then got embarrassed by Boston. 2 goals in 4 games. Nothing else needs to be said. Not even close to winning that series.

Its not an agenda. And just because I don't like Obamacare doesn't mean I hate black people.

[pensfan1989]

Man I get so sick of seeing the "4 straight years of playoff failure" repeated here over and over because it is such a lie.

2010 - team was burnt out - very difficult to make the finals 3 straight years - still made it to 2nd round which has to count for something. Lost to Habs in 7 in a very tight series.
2011 - injuries - nothing more needs said really - almost even pulled an upset going 7 again.
2012 - yeah that was a failure
2013 - made it to 3rd round which again should count for something. Embarrassing yes, but not total failure.

Really only 2 years of playoff failure at the most.

but go ahead and keep repeating the lie to try and further your agenda.

2010 - The only possible one for which there is a moderate pass. Still lost to a lower seed and got embarrassed at home in Game 7
2011 - Blew a 3-1 series lead. I don't care who you have on the roster. Have to win that.
2012 - Yikes
2013 - If NYI has anything resembling a goalie they win that series. Horribly outplayed. Scored 2 goals in 4 games against Boston.

[penscup]

You people wanted the team to go deep in the playoffs without Crosby & Malkin??...riiiiiiiiiiggghhhhht.

Wow. Can't get more delusional than that.

[Rylan]

I instantly look down upon anyone that uses 2011 for any argument.

[Idoit40fans]

I want the team to show more backbone than a worm in the playoffs. They managed to win 3/4 and then go on to lose 3/3. Are you suggesting that that isn't a horrible failure?

[Rylan]

I want the team to show more backbone than a worm in the playoffs. They managed to win 3/4 and then go on to lose 3/3. Are you suggesting that that isn't a horrible failure?

Yep.

[MRandall25]

I'd argue there's no way they should have even won 3 games that series, let alone won 3 of 4 before losing the rest.

[Idoit40fans]

I give Rylan a pass because he potentially suffered a brain injury in the past year.

[farnham16]

Of course the Pens weren't winning the Cup in 2011. Not the point. The team blew a 3-1 series lead with two remaining games at home. You should never lose a series when that is the case. They blew it.

I don't care a ton about that series but it continued a trend of them choking when it matters most.

[Rylan]

I give everyone else a pass, because let's face you guys are old and cranky

[pensfan1989]

You people wanted the team to go deep in the playoffs without Crosby & Malkin??...riiiiiiiiiiggghhhhht.

Wow. Can't get more delusional than that.

It wasn't so much about going deep in the playoffs that year as it was winning a series that you have a stranglehold on. They failed to do that.

[Idoit40fans]

A stranglehold along with all of the same people that got you that stranglehold.

[penscup]

I'd argue there's no way they should have even won 3 games that series, let alone won 3 of 4 before losing the rest.

This.

The fact that series went 7 is a testament to Bylsma's good coaching, but instead of giving him some credit for almost pulling the upset and playing a great series with a severely handicapped team, those with an agenda and those who want to try and revise history attempt to label it as a failure.

[pcm]

I'd argue there's no way they should have even won 3 games that series, let alone won 3 of 4 before losing the rest.

This.

The fact that series went 7 is a testament to Bylsma's good coaching, but instead of giving him some credit for almost pulling the upset and playing a great series with a severely handicapped team, those with an agenda and those who want to try and revise history attempt to label it as a failure.

Except that failure fits the pattern of every other year he's been to the playoffs except the one year where he was brand new, with a team that had been to the finals the year before and was on the rise.

If the pattern was the opposite, and Blysma had a history of getting more out his players than expected, then the analysis would be reversed. But he took over the team right as they neared their peak, and since then, they've gotten worse / more embarassing every year.

[Steve]

I think the Lightning series was a failure though, because we lost.

Just like the flip side - I can't believe people are suggesting that the Islanders series was a failure, or downplaying it or whatever - we won the series in 6 games - that's all that matters.