Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

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Do you approve of the way DB is handling his job?

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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby columbia on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:27 pm

farnham16 wrote:The Pens don't have to win the Cup for Bylsma to keep his job, but they need to get close and not look like complete garbage in the playoffs the way they have recently under him.


Even if they are bounced out in the first round, I expect him to be back next year.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby farnham16 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:28 pm

columbia wrote:
farnham16 wrote:The Pens don't have to win the Cup for Bylsma to keep his job, but they need to get close and not look like complete garbage in the playoffs the way they have recently under him.


Even if they are bounced out in the first round, I expect him to be back next year.


Especially if Team USA does ok at the Olympics.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby ExPatriatePen on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:28 pm

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Factorial wrote:So, it's either win the cup this season or it's Bylsma's fault so he should be fired?

I don't know what makes people think that the Pens are so dominant over the rest of the league.

I don't get this, so if the pens win the cup that's because of Bylsma but if the pens fail it's the players fault


I'd let him keep his job if he just got us to the SCF.

But if you think there's a team out there with better talent... let me know who it is. (Blackhawks? - Boston?)

I was severly disappointed with not only the loss to Boston, but the way HCDB coach us to that loss. 0-4 with 2 goals. That's abysmal. The fact that no adjustments were made when it obviously wasn't working is even worse.

We've been over this ground repeatedly. HCDB is not the guy who's going to led this team into the future.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Desiato on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:30 pm

Gaucho wrote:If they bow out the same way there will be no supporters left.


It's funny to me that after years of disappointing results and two straight humiliations, a third humiliation is necessary.

My concern used to be that the Pens played recklessly and with an arrogant, inflexible system built around the notion if they played their game, the Pens could beat anyone. I believe that changed last year. The Pens started playing a much more responsible game last season. But now there are new issues.

A new problem is that when the Pens play responsible defense, offense really struggles. I don't think DB knows how to coach offense. I think he has relied on Sid and Geno to figure it out. I don't think that's a good recipe for success in 2013. I think the NHL is more tactical than the way DB coaches it.

A growing problem is accountability. The amount of negative body language expressed by Pens players is concerning to me. I think it's because the Pens play lazy and unfocused at times. Malkin and Letang have at least half a dozen wtf moments per game since the Pens won the cup; they appear to do whatever they want. I don't like that. If the coach isn't holding players accountable, I put the blame on him.

I also have concerns about DB's leadership. If he does not take ownership of issues or hold himself accountable, how can he expect the players to? He is constantly making excuses like the Pens are the only team for which the puck bounces.

IMO, the players like DB because he lets them do what they want.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby columbia on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:31 pm

I can't think of any coach that could win the cup with their 3rd line.
(Unless someone here reallllllly believes in Kobasew and I'm not sure why that would be the case.)
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:41 pm

Factorial wrote:So, it's either win the cup this season or it's Bylsma's fault so he should be fired?

I don't know what makes people think that the Pens are so dominant over the rest of the league.


No, its "Bylsma should have been fired before last season, and then after last season and if the team gets laughed out of the playoffs again, he should be fired."
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:55 pm

Desiato wrote:IMO, the players like DB because he lets them do what they want.


I think the only players that have frequent moments of freelanceritis are Geno and Letang.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby sniper on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:04 pm

farnham16 wrote:
columbia wrote:
farnham16 wrote:The Pens don't have to win the Cup for Bylsma to keep his job, but they need to get close and not look like complete garbage in the playoffs the way they have recently under him.


Even if they are bounced out in the first round, I expect him to be back next year.


Especially if Team USA does ok at the Olympics.


What if team USA does awful and fails to make adjustments. Will that have an influence on his job as Pens coach before the postseason even starts?
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Daniel87 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:23 pm

In stubborn DB fashion, I'll continue to vote no for this question as long as it's asked.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:30 pm

Daniel87 wrote:In stubborn DB fashion, I'll continue to vote no for this question as long as it's asked.


Factorial likes this
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Mr. Colby on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:49 pm

Mr. Colby wrote:End of last playoffs its probably 95% no.

A 2-0 start and its 70% yes. Interesting.

But hey, I can understand how beating a mediocre and a bad team on your home ice in the first week of October can profoundly impact opinions
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby shmenguin on Wed Nov 20, 2013 7:49 pm

Idoit40fans wrote:
Gaucho wrote:If they bow out the same way there will be no supporters left.


This is a joke, right? There will still be snide comments about people thinking they need to go 16/16 in the post season every year and how Pittsburgh fans are "spoiled by success".



At least, this year, when someone brings up the silly notion that you need to name his successor before you're allowed to want him fired, we can at least have an answer that would placate them.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby farnham16 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:09 pm

sniper wrote:
farnham16 wrote:
columbia wrote:
farnham16 wrote:The Pens don't have to win the Cup for Bylsma to keep his job, but they need to get close and not look like complete garbage in the playoffs the way they have recently under him.


Even if they are bounced out in the first round, I expect him to be back next year.


Especially if Team USA does ok at the Olympics.


What if team USA does awful and fails to make adjustments. Will that have an influence on his job as Pens coach before the postseason even starts?


Probably not. Because the Penguins obviously don't care about that.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby pensfan1989 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:37 pm

We should do a weekly poll here. Like Gallup does
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby shafnutz05 on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:49 pm

pensfan1989 wrote:We should do a weekly poll here. Like Gallup does


They do a daily poll :pop:
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby columbia on Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:51 pm

Daily?

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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Desiato on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:01 pm

Gaucho wrote:
Desiato wrote:IMO, the players like DB because he lets them do what they want.


I think the only players that have frequent moments of freelanceritis are Geno and Letang.


Letang and Malkin abuse it more, but they are not the only players with a loose leash. Bosses who allow that are usually popular.

I support giving stars a lot of freedom if they earn it by playing smart in every zone. Crosby is generally a good example of this. However, I think it's important that the coach be willing and able to rein his players in on demand based on his observations. DB hasn't shown us a lot of this IMO.

I actually do not support firing him now. Because the Penguins have invested the preseason and the first quarter of the regular season in DB, it's due diligence to give him more time to figure this out.

I agree it is unlikely, but I believe upper management is prepared to fire him. For example, if the Pens continue to play as they are now in January. But my bet is the staff get the machine running well enough to make another run.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Gaucho on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:02 pm

He will count to infinity.
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby count2infinity on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:40 pm

1....2...3....4...
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Idoit40fans on Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:41 pm

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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Steve on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:06 am

I've plotted DB's approval rating over the last few weeks. Let me know if anyone has any questions.




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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby pensfan1989 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:13 am

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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Idoit40fans on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:21 am

What does the green line mean?
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Pitts on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:37 am

Steve wrote:I've plotted DB's approval rating over the last few weeks. Let me know if anyone has any questions.




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Awesome work Steve!! Hats off to you Sir!
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Re: Dan Bylsma Approval rating (1st quarter)

Postby Daniel87 on Thu Nov 21, 2013 12:56 am

Idoit40fans wrote:What does the green line mean?

Would that be a teal or turquoise? I always confuse which is greenish-blue and which is bluish-green.
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